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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I read, and will try to find, that 70% of Iranians are under 30 years of age and very pro-western...
    It is a small and fanatical religious element that has the power and will not give it up.
    Go ahead, man. I'd be glad to see what you find.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I'm no traitor this is a free society.
    I don't think he was calling you a traitor. But there is such a thing as unwitting support. Stockholm Syndrom is when victims sympthaize with their captors. What do you think happens when people are blasted with sympathetic propaganda? The television was full of commentators who were willing to betray anything and everything to either **** on America or to **** on the other political Party. The Internet is full of morons who know nothing about this region, yet feel it necessary to spew their opinions and protests about anything that Bush touched. Today, these same people are absolutely quiet about the "old" topics or searching for more excuses to legitimize their protests under a President they are supposed to support. In the mean time and along the way, the protestors criticism became more and more in line with Islamic excuses for bad behavior.

    You, yourself, are more than willing to keep dragging America's torture machine through the mud without any real knowledge or evidence of more than a few (and you haven't even produced that). Al-Queda mouthpieces in the Middle East use the so called American torture "program" to legitmize further hatreds. Aside from accusations of the released who run back intotheir arms, they too have no clue or any evidence of "torture" anywhere near the scale thewy preach. With you willing to voice along side them, what do you call it? This is you offering unwitting support for their agenda.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Al-Queda mouthpieces in the Middle East use the so called American torture "program" to legitmize further hatreds.
    Pretty legit ****, why don't people do something about it instead of serving them the strongest argument to explodinate our society they could ever wish to get their hands on.

    With you willing to voice along side them, what do you call it? This is you offering unwitting support for their agenda.
    LMFAO I have to choose between blind fascists or mad terrorists? I choose to issue support for neither, Thanks.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Iran... according to the more comprehensive polling. I've posted it several times on the forums.

    Analysis of Multiple Polls Finds Little Evidence Iranian Public Sees Government as Illegitimate - World Public Opinion

    It has files that you can use to analyse the raw data, unfortunately the software is very expensive and without access to a statistics or political science lab you wont be able to view it.
    You really should read beyond the Internet. Seeing their government as legitimate is not the same as agreeing with it. How many Americans agreed that Bush's election was legitimate but absolutely hated his administration? Over 70 percent of the country is under the age of 30 years old. Are you really willing to believe that after a decade of access to Western fashion, music, and cinema that they were and are supportive of turning back the clock to Khomoeni?

    Vali Nasr (and many other Iranians authors) is a good source if you wish to understand this society. The Internet and a few polls just won't do it.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    You dont know what you're talking about. The data in there is gold. Delicious intellectual gold.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Pretty legit ****, why don't people do something about it instead of serving them the strongest argument to explodinate our society they could ever wish to get their hands on.
    GOOD GOD! You are doing it right now. Without any credible list of "victims" you are willing to offer legitmization towards Islamic radicals who gripe also simply because you want it to be true. Who has been tortured and where? Can you produce anything at all other than exaggeration? It should be easy enough.


    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    LMFAO I have to choose between blind fascists or mad terrorists? I choose to issue support for neither, Thanks.
    Again...accusations without substance. Now Washington and the Pentagon are full of fascists. You support the enemy who also declares the same...without any substance. How old are you? I'm not seeking to insult, I'm just curious. Are you a college kid?

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    You dont know what you're talking about. The data in there is gold. Delicious intellectual gold.
    Very well. You keep avoiding the points in order to cling to your errors and assumptions. It's like talking to a brick wall. Enjoy your Internet wisdom.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Your going crazy or something. Done with you lol. I could cut and paste your own posts from above and just spank you but I gotta study for International political economy so I can transcend levels of knowledge and pwnzernate.

    And I was drunk this whole thread. XD

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Your going crazy or something. Done with you lol. I could cut and paste your own posts from above and just spank you but I gotta study for International political economy so I can transcend levels of knowledge and pwnzernate.

    And I was drunk this whole thread. XD
    You will one day find that the world is greater and bigger than the campus text book and that harsh truths often force imperfect behavior. There is no need to blame alcohol for your inability to maintain good conversation and your inability to transcend sophomoric arguments and accusations.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Hah you said sophomoric... anyways, I'm glad you can leave the thread with a 'face up my own ass so far I think Im winning' attitude. I should drink and post more often it def. puts the fire in me.

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