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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    It's not because France did something bad that it gives the US a free pass to do the same.
    The same? A few equals hundreds of thousands? GITMO equals the Gulag? And so on? Same old story. See, you are doing exactly what SE102 is doing. First, offer a substantiated number of the "tortured." Until then, your criticism is based on heresays and rumors. After we actually produce this "mass system of torture" then we can discuss on how America should be dragged through the mud for minor imperfections while others who execute absolute dastardly major deeds get away with it. It's never America that gets away with it. We are always accountable. It's the rest that are not. It's our moral beliefs that have never sought genocide past the American Indian. It's our moral beliefs that have never sought to cast out immigrants or ethnically cleans our society. And it's our moral beliefs that even held waterboarding to the extreme few. So....how many have been waterboarded? If you've never looked into it, you'd be suprised what you find.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Elaborate on this statement, please..I know of no nation occupying "Muslim land". In fact, just the opposite may be true....

    Weird... theres that like... history of you know colonialism of like you know...200 years or so... and not to mention the denial of geopolitical reality of the last oh... since the cold war.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Well, pardner.... I dont know how the 'law' and international coercion by the hegemonic state works... but how is it they just make this stuff up?



    Issue more hackery to back it up now*

    Regimes of the past in europe who tortured sure override and make an excuse that we are right to do it.

    You are still dodging. You imply a mass system of torture, yet have nothing to base it on outside of rumor, heresay, and exaggeration. You are welcome to use your next post to actually establish an argument. I suspect that you will do as others do and simply seek an argument about why torture is bad without showing evidence of your implications.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    The same? A few equals hundreds of thousands? GITMO equals the Gulag? And soon? Sameold story. See, you are doing exactly what SE102 is doing. First, offer a substantiated number of the "tortured." UNtil then, your criticism is based on heresays and rumors. After we actually produce this "mass system of torture" then we can discuss on how America should be dragged through the mud for minor imperfections while others who execute absolute dastardly major deeds get away with it. It's never America that gets away with it. We are always accountable. It's the rest that are not.

    Please... offer a substantiated number of tortured, until then we have the right to assume out government doing its worst.
    Strange you hate the government, but don't care if it could possibly be torturing dozens to hundreds of people at once.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Amnesty International wants Bush prosecuted for his roll in waterboarding. One of the defenses of Bush I have come across is that torture is when used to defend innocent lives. I will admit, it is an interesting question for me to explore.

    What is your opinion?
    AS long as those that they are torturing are actually "the enemy" and as long as they actually know information or intelligence, then I have no problem with it at all...
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Amnesty International wants Bush prosecuted for his roll in waterboarding. One of the defenses of Bush I have come across is that torture is when used to defend innocent lives. I will admit, it is an interesting question for me to explore.

    What is your opinion?
    My opinion is there are an awful lot of chicken****s in this world that have and would never lift a finger in the defense of self or others but have lived off the blood and sacrifice of others that then bitch about what others have done to preserve their safety. Its ALWAYS easy to bitch when someone else has to make the call. Its also always easy to excuse and justify a democrat presidents actions and then hypocritacally condemn the actions of a republican president. Its easy to bitch about Bush and Gitmo and denying terrosists constitutional rights then completely ignore Obamas decision to expand secure prisons in the middle east and decide to deny terrorists constitutional rights.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    http://assembly.coe.int/CommitteeDoc..._NoEmbargo.pdf

    Your welcome.

    Anyways, Americans are progressive and scientific when it comes to their torture. Imagine... Lucrative torture patents!

    http://www.correntewire.com/council_...ommissions_act

    Plenty of sources in above document^

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    The same? A few equals hundreds of thousands? GITMO equals the Gulag? And so on? Same old story. See, you are doing exactly what SE102 is doing. First, offer a substantiated number of the "tortured." Until then, your criticism is based on heresays and rumors. After we actually produce this "mass system of torture" then we can discuss on how America should be dragged through the mud for minor imperfections while others who execute absolute dastardly major deeds get away with it. It's never America that gets away with it. We are always accountable. It's the rest that are not. It's our moral beliefs that have never sought genocide past the American Indian. It's our moral beliefs that have never sought to cast out immigrants or ethnically cleans our society. And it's our moral beliefs that even held waterboarding to the extreme few. So....how many have been waterboarded? If you've never looked into it, you'd be suprised what you find.
    minor imperfections? You gotta be kidding

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Weird... theres that like... history of you know colonialism of like you know...200 years or so... and not to mention the denial of geopolitical reality of the last oh... since the cold war.
    Globalization tends to involve the entire globe. This complaint about "Muslim land" is a myth used by protestors that need simplicity to explain away a complex issue. I guess immigration is for all...except the Middle East? Corporation and culture is to cross borders all over the world....except the Middle East? Are you aware that only the radicals inside Iran agree with Amenedejad's order to ban all western cultural influence in Iran? Are you aware that Western culture (specifically the American culture) was deemed as against God in the 1950s by a man named Sayyid Qutb and his academic works are held dear by the Muslim Brotherhood? Did you know that there is a direct line from him to Osama Bin Laden? And that almost all Sunni terrorists (Al-Queda among them) are members? You see without support for Israel...without a base in Saudi Arabia....without defending Saudi Arabia against Saddam Hussein, without our "infectious" culture, ...and without our freedom of expression, radical members of a failed religious region would merely find another excuse to lash out their resentments and blames.

    Another fact that escapes the classroom veterans far from the region is that Al-Queda has killed far more Muslims than westerners. Another fact is that throughout the twentieth century (and this one) fellow Muslims have proven to be a Muslim's worse enemy. This is a sure sign of a religionin crisis. And the twentieth century proved that Islam as an organizing tool has failed. This is why the radicals seek a "pure" Islam and are willing to slaughter asmany of their own to achieve the impossible in a progressive world.

    If you actually think about your protests you would find that you wish to cater towards the radical rather than the vast majority who seek a path that travels away from Sharia and contuined regional failure. There's a reason Turkey and Israel are leaps and bounds beyond the rest in this region.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    It's our moral beliefs that have never sought genocide past the American Indian.
    How honorable right

    You're still vaporising the crops of natives in SAmerica who have been harvesting their holy plants since before there was reading in europe... cmon.

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