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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Well people are writing suicide notes in blood on their cell walls, force fed anti-depressants so they wont do it blah blah blah, cracking their skulls open bleeding trying to end their lives because they're treated to such an inhumane degree etc. (but no concern on anyones part mind you).

    Given common sense, you could say given the number of 'mickey mouse' detainees who have no information, secret torture camps, where they are likely training eastern europeans to do the same (again who cares, its just an experimental torture network in eastern europe ), I'd say 90% of the torture program is a crock of fascist oppressive right wing human ****.
    The fact is that you haven't a clue about any of this. Who was waterboarded ("tortured)?" And when? And where? Can you name more than a few names? You are running off of unproven accusations, rumors, and exagerations. Notice how quickly the Democratic Party stopped their bitching about GITMO as soon as Obama took the throne? The Democratic Party has absolutely ignored GITMO ever since. So much for their self-righteous accusations of "torture." The fact is that there was never anything really there other than exxagerations used as a partisan tool by fools and their sheep who were against anything Bush related. In fact, the only thing the fools did was give our enemy a tool in which to use for your undeserved sympathies.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Oh, yeah and don't mind Steven M Walt. he surely doesnt know what hes saying.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    The fact is that you haven't a clue about any of this. Who was waterboarded ("tortured)?" And when? And where? Can you name more than a few names? You are running off of unproven accusations, rumors, and exagerations. Notice how quickly the Democratic Party stopped their bitching about GITMO as soon as Obama took the throne? The Democratic Party has absolutely ignored GITMO ever since. So much for their self-righteous accusations of "torture." The fact is that there was never anything really there other than exxagerations used as a partisan tool by fools and their sheep who were against anything Bush related. In fact, the only thing the fools did was give our enemy a tool in which to use for your undeserved sympathies.
    No, you tit for tat hacked for half this paragraph and didnt say a thing.

    The fact is that you haven't a clue about any of this. Who was waterboarded ("tortured)?" And when? And where? Can you name more than a few names? You are running off of unproven accusations, rumors, and exagerations.
    Weird, funny how other governments such as those in..."Europe" are concerned about the illegal torture camps.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    4 or 5 was just a number. You are welcome to place your own. But instead you merely produced a permission slip that showed nothing. Who has been waterboarded? And where? Surely, with the hundreds of thousands tortured publicly by the French and the many more by the Germans you can place a number of substance to this. But you can't. A very few have been substantiated and most of those who have used it to get off of his stage of guilt are full of ****. You people don't have anything but rumors and exaggerations.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    4 or 5 was just a number. You are welcome to place your own. But instead you merely produced a permission slip that showed nothing. Who has been waterboarded? And where? Surely, with the hundreds of thousands tortured publicly by the French and the many more by the Germans you can place a number of substance to this. But you can't. A very few have been substantiated and most of those who have used it to get off of his stage of guilt are full of ****. You people don't have anything but rumors and exaggerations.
    It's not because France did something bad that it gives the US a free pass to do the same.

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    So.... who knows what.... since we've only waterboarded a few... what type of torture are we using on the rest. Apparently CPwill has seen torture 'work' but hell, for all we know this thread threatens his livelihood if he were to divulge more

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    No, you tit for tat hacked for half this paragraph and didnt say a thing.
    I statedplenty. You dodged because you are unable to back up your accusations. The truth is that you know you are running off of yesterday's Democratic fumes.


    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Weird, funny how other governments such as those in..."Europe" are concerned about the illegal torture camps.
    What camps? Where? Since you are unable to back up your accusation of mass torture, do you at least have anything substantial on these "torture" camps? I guess these European governments care more about embarrassing America than shutting down what is in their own countries? Or are they even what you think they are? Got anything other than more rumor and exaggeration for this bit at least?

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Yes, I believe torture is justified if it is to save innocent lives, however I think it's still a bad idea. Primarily because it isn't that effective. Some people are extremely resistant to torture (and it's hard to tell who will resist and who won't), and others will say whatever they think will make their torturers stop, regardless of whether it is true or not.
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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Has torture ever been used effectively as a policy to extract information to any effective purpose? In this century people have been tortured for political repression as a rule, it was rarely if ever effective and the more lucrative results of these regimes was planting agents in networks of interest. Nazis and Soviets would torture people for months at a time (with no limits on their techniques), receive no pertinent info and ship their victims off to camps or to execution...... What chance is there that a Muslim who believes he does the work of God himself is going to give in to a nation occupying his territory?........Elaborate on this statement, please..I know of no nation occupying "Muslim land".In fact, just the opposite may be true.... As far as I'm concerned the support for the policy of torture at this point is to prevent a loss of political face.
    I think that the primary purpose of torture is revenge, not information.
    Any man so far gone as for him to think that he is doing his "God's work".........cannot be successfully tortured,physically...

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    Re: Does defense justify torture?

    Well, pardner.... I dont know how the 'law' and international coercion by the hegemonic state works... but how is it they just make this stuff up?

    I statedplenty. You dodged because you are unable to back up your accusations. The truth is that you know you are running off of yesterday's Democratic fumes.
    Issue more hackery to back it up now*

    Regimes of the past in europe who tortured sure override and make an excuse that we are right to do it.


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