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  • They should have their raise held

    13 30.23%
  • They should not have their raise held

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Thread: Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

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    Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

    With the switch over in the congress many federal workers are now wondering what the next year is going to hold. Two things currently being talked about is a lowering or removal of the raise for Federal Employees this year and possibly forcing 2 weeks of furlough days on federal employees. See below:

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    Data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics shows federal employees are paid an average of 24 percent less than their private sector counterparts. But with the public perception of feds as overpaid and underworked, any type of raise is not guaranteed.

    The proposed federal pay raise of 1.4 percent is still up for a vote, and Bransford said he has also heard a "rumor" that President Obama will propose a 0.9 percent raise. Bransford said the 1.4 percent probably will not pass the lame duck session.

    There's also a possibility of no raise at all, Bransford said.
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    Rep. Mike Coffman (R-CO) introduced a bill this week that would require two weeks of furlough in 2011 for federal civilian employees. The furloughs would save taxpayers $5.5 billion, according to a release about the bill.

    "[Furloughs] provide slight problems but they provide large solutions to the budget trouble we face," Coffman said.
    There are other things being talked about, such as hiring freezes, no creation of new positions, and 1:2 attrition rates, but this ones focusing on your thoughts about the two options above and if you support either or both.

    As a note to math, a 2 week furlough is roughly 4% of a workers pay.

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    Re: Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

    Unless they are promoted, given additional responsibility, or something else that progresses their career, they should get no more than a raise to cover cost of living increases. Basically, it should be to the same standard businesses should adhere to.

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    Re: Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

    I hope those being furloughed include the politicians. Many states and cities use furlough days to save money so I do not see why this can not be applied at the federal level. If they do start having furlough days I just hope some rat politician doesn't go hey we saved $5.5 billion lets spend it on something like fighting aids in Africa or some other waste of money.
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    Re: Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Unless they are promoted, given additional responsibility, or something else that progresses their career, they should get no more than a raise to cover cost of living increases. Basically, it should be to the same standard businesses should adhere to.
    The yearly raise that is being talked about there is typically the one that has to do with general cost of living/inflation country wide.

    Typically at the beginning of the year federal workers see an increased based on the following formula. A government wide raise based on overall cost of living/inflation (Typically 2% or less) + any increase to the cost of living for a locality + any increase their particular agency may give.

    This would be in addition to any kind of potential raise on an individual level which is not a garaunteed thing.

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    Re: Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

    I'll admit my own bias here right off...I am a federal worker.

    I think the raise should remain in tact. As already pointed out there, the majority of Federal Employee's make significantly less than their private sector counter part. The 1.4% or 1.9% raise is the generalized cost of living increase and I think that should be given.

    I especially think that since I agree with the Furlough as well, and that is by itself a bigger hit than the raise. Doing both is just over kill imho.

    The furlough I think is something that I could understand and support, even though it'd be a decently large impact on me, because it could be a tangible way to save significant money while not cutting jobs. However, my apologizes if I don't buy the need to do it to show private sector people the government is doing its fair share. When the private sector is booming there is always joy in how much more they make then their federal counter parts and many are not bothered by making that well known. So forgive me for not thinking we need to show solidarity to them when they're going through tough times...and still doing better off pay wise than us anyways.

    So for me, leave the raise alone, enact the 2 weeks of non-subsequent furlough days for the year.

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    Re: Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'll admit my own bias here right off...I am a federal worker.

    I think the raise should remain in tact. As already pointed out there, the majority of Federal Employee's make significantly less than their private sector counter part. The 1.4% or 1.9% raise is the generalized cost of living increase and I think that should be given.

    I especially think that since I agree with the Furlough as well, and that is by itself a bigger hit than the raise. Doing both is just over kill imho.

    The furlough I think is something that I could understand and support, even though it'd be a decently large impact on me, because it could be a tangible way to save significant money while not cutting jobs. However, my apologizes if I don't buy the need to do it to show private sector people the government is doing its fair share. When the private sector is booming there is always joy in how much more they make then their federal counter parts and many are not bothered by making that well known. So forgive me for not thinking we need to show solidarity to them when they're going through tough times...and still doing better off pay wise than us anyways.

    So for me, leave the raise alone, enact the 2 weeks of non-subsequent furlough days for the year.
    none of the above
    the cost of living raise should follow the formula
    no point in arbitrarily placing the employees on a two week unpaid leave
    but i strongly disagree with the position that federal employees are underpaid
    if that were the actual case, we would have seen a steady flow of federal workers to the private sector and that is not found
    admittedly, some are not compensated for their talents and they do find their way to better paying private employment, leaving mostly average employees and LOTS of dregs
    i say that as a retired federal employee and an active AFGE union officer
    the civil service system needs a thorough weeding out. it is very top heavy ... especially in HQ and regional offices. do an analysis of many agencies and you will find that the number of managers exceeds the number of nonmanagers
    political appointees arrive and hire a retinue of sycophants. the political appointees must leave when their political patron leaves, but the sycophants remain
    let me clarify what i am saying. the rank and file civil servants ARE by and large a great group of employees who keep the government running consistently during the changes of political currents. however, those who manage them tend to be on the payroll because of their political connections and not according to their merit or performance. unfortunately, those politically connected employees direct the activities of the career civil servants who are doing the work, often causing the government to operate in very inefficient and ineffective ways
    hopefully the debt commission (Bowles/Simpson) will address this misalignment of federal workers/federal expenditures
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    Re: Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

    I can't tell you how much I agree with you in regards to middle management and the few realistic methods of any actual advancement.

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    Re: Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

    The federal jobs should be run like an efficient business, not as a social service to keep workers employed (many federal workers are inefficient and lazy and should be fired). They should make job cuts like private businesses and give raises based on merit. Federal jobs should be held financially accountable.
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    Re: Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The federal jobs should be run like an efficient business, not as a social service to keep workers employed (many federal workers are inefficient and lazy and should be fired). They should make job cuts like private businesses and give raises based on merit. Federal jobs should be held financially accountable.
    explain to us how this should be accomplished
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    Re: Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

    We have been promised a smaller government. First thing they should do is downsize like a private business would.
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