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  • They should be furloughed

    9 20.93%
  • They should not be furloughed

    22 51.16%
  • They should have their raise held

    13 30.23%
  • They should not have their raise held

    13 30.23%
  • They should have their raise reduced

    12 27.91%
  • They should not have their raise reduced

    9 20.93%
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Thread: Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

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    Re: Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    We have been promised a smaller government. First thing they should do is downsize like a private business would.
    Any reduction should be based off increases in efficiency and productivity, leading to reduced staff. One of the largest problems facing the country is the widening income gap between the rich and everyone else and I cannot support anything that could possibly worsen it.

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    Re: Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I hope those being furloughed include the politicians. Many states and cities use furlough days to save money so I do not see why this can not be applied at the federal level. If they do start having furlough days I just hope some rat politician doesn't go hey we saved $5.5 billion lets spend it on something like fighting aids in Africa or some other waste of money.
    And that ultimately is the point. There are numerous cost saving, fund raising methods and even though I would be somewhat impacted I would be willing to play along...PROVIDED that congress first put up or shut up...let the cuts start with them, and second, there must be a concrete plan in place to pay down the debt. What we know about congress (both parties) is that if you give them more they will spend it. Hell...they have proven especially skillful at spending even if they dont have it. No more. It has to stop.

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    Re: Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

    Something new for America
    fairness
    equality
    This must apply to all.
    If union workers have their pay cut, then this should extend to all, from the CEO on down.
    And, its not the wealthy who create jobs, its the consumer.
    As usual, no vote..
    Try a "fair poll".
    I cannot love nor hate taxes..
    But I hate waste, and in Bubba 's list there is a ton of it.
    Digsbe, in our nation not everyone is an athlete, or has at least an average IQ.
    I am one of them.
    Private industry and business want "perfect" workers - my impression and observation....so its the public sector to the rescue....otherwise these people would starve to death....and we have too much of this with people living in cardboard boxes and mobile homes...
    Really wanna save federal money??
    435 Representatives are too much.....lets cut this to 100..
    one idea of the day.

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    Re: Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The federal jobs should be run like an efficient business, not as a social service to keep workers employed (many federal workers are inefficient and lazy and should be fired). They should make job cuts like private businesses and give raises based on merit. Federal jobs should be held financially accountable.
    I think you speak in vague generalities based. Fast food workers are inefficient...lazy...and should be fired. All union workers are lazy, inefficient, and should be fired. Teachers are lazy, inefficient, and should be fired. Etc.
    The reality is that there ARE some but most? Not even close. Where the government WOULD benefit from is a system of program reviews and transfers. there are areas where personnel are underutilized and there are areas where the federal employees are simple pounded with way too much work.
    Like every other profession in the country.

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    Re: Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

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    This is a really cool site where you can vote on cuts to be brought to the floor.
    Now that the Rep have more power, some may actually pass.
    It's a real chance to participate in how tax dollars are spent (not spent).
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    Re: Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I hope those being furloughed include the politicians. Many states and cities use furlough days to save money so I do not see why this can not be applied at the federal level. If they do start having furlough days I just hope some rat politician doesn't go hey we saved $5.5 billion lets spend it on something like fighting aids in Africa or some other waste of money.
    Seldom do we agree on anything.
    Rumor has it that Geo Bush has 8 speech writers, Obama probably has 9.
    Another problem..
    Do you imply, James, that fighting AIDS is Africa is a waste?
    It may be!
    Its waste that must go.

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    Re: Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Seldom do we agree on anything.
    Rumor has it that Geo Bush has 8 speech writers, Obama probably has 9.
    Another problem..
    Do you imply, James, that fighting AIDS is Africa is a waste?
    It may be!
    Its waste that must go.
    Thanks for the indept analysis, prof.

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    Re: Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Seldom do we agree on anything.
    Rumor has it that Geo Bush has 8 speech writers, Obama probably has 9.
    Another problem..
    Do you imply, James, that fighting AIDS is Africa is a waste?
    It may be!
    Its waste that must go.
    I imply that spending tax payer dollars on anyone else other than Americans and spending tax payer dollars on extra stuff is a waste period. You do not spend other people's money on frivolous things and give it away to others especially when you are debt. And yes fighting aids in africa is a waste of US tax dollars regardless if there is extra cash to spend which means the tax payers were taxed too much or if we are swimming in debt because the clowns in office decided to waste the money on bull ****. Dropping a **** a load of condoms in those countries and telling those people the evil of not using protection is not going to stop them from having unprotected sex.
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    Re: Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

    Depends on their contracts if they have them.


    Follow the contracts as required. If they do not have contracts, COL increases should be held to zero ( no inflation according to the SS people), merit pay increases of course should apply, it does encourage good work. And in most area's a general reduction in staff by about 5% would be good. With the decrease in staff, departments that were overstaffed will not feel a pinch, those that were properly staffed will see a need for more employee's and those that were understaffed, will definately see a requirement for more staff. Given the nature of most admin area's I would suggest that few areas are understaffed
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    Re: Should Federal Workers be furloughed? Raises held?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'll admit my own bias here right off...I am a federal worker...snip...the majority of Federal Employee's make significantly less than their private sector counter part.
    Nuh-uh. Not by a long shot. And why does a Federal worker not know that?

    Overall, federal workers earned an average salary of $67,691 in 2008 for occupations that exist both in government and the private sector, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data. The average pay for the same mix of jobs in the private sector was $60,046 in 2008, the most recent data available.

    CHART: Federal pay ahead of private industry - USATODAY.com

    These salary figures do not include the value of health, pension and other benefits, which averaged $40,785 per federal employee in 2008 vs. $9,882 per private worker, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis.
    Furlough. No pay increase. Overhaul of pensions.
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