View Poll Results: Is complete nuclear disarmament a good idea?

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  • No, stockpiles should be maintained at current levels.

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    Re: Is nuclear disarmament a good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    In an ideal world, nuclear stockpiles could be eliminated. Unfortunately, this is not an ideal world. Although there is likely room for reducing nuclear stockpiles, elimination of such stockpiles would merely create a powerful incentive/temptation for some state or states to cheat. That situation would heighten the risk of aggression rather than reduce the risk of conflict.
    That may have been true in the fifties and sixties but not today. All we have to fear now is attacks by small groups of Arab terrorists with shoe, printer, and underwear bombs, definitely not nuclear threats by other nations...

    Nothing since the Cuban crisis back in the early sixties.

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    Re: Is nuclear disarmament a good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I saw a little blurb on CNN the other day that President Obama visited Hiroshima (or was it Nagasaki?) Japan as part of his hope to create 'a world without nuclear arms'

    Assume for a moment that it would be possible to convince every country in the world to destroy all of their nuclear weapons. Is it a good idea? Why or why not?


    The premise is just too implausible to give serious consideration. While we might get all the world to publically agree in principle, maybe even pledge to do it.... there would be those who would cheat. The cheaters would have a major strategic advantage.

    It just won't work. There's about as much point in talking about it as there is in wishing away crime, poverty and mental illness.... things that can be reduced but never eliminated.

    I see it as being very similar to the gun control argument: if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns, giving them an unreasonable advantage over honest citizens.

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    Re: Is nuclear disarmament a good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    That may have been true in the fifties and sixties but not today. All we have to fear now is attacks by small groups of Arab terrorists with shoe, printer, and underwear bombs, definitely not nuclear threats by other nations...

    Nothing since the Cuban crisis back in the early sixties.

    ricksfolly
    On the contrary, I believe the need for maintaining a reasonably-sized arsenal is even more important today than it was in the 1950s and 1960s. Cheating states could use non-state entities to evade their obligations. Technically, they could point to their own compliance while, in fact, they are not in compliance.

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    Re: Is nuclear disarmament a good idea?

    Im going to say no. While I openly loathe the neoconservative foreign policy of going to war with every country we dont like in addition loathing those who support it I fully support our nuclear stockpile. The saying that nuclear armed countries don't get invaded is very true.
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    Re: Is nuclear disarmament a good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Im going to say no. While I openly loathe the neoconservative foreign policy of going to war with every country we dont like in addition loathing those who support it I fully support our nuclear stockpile. The saying that nuclear armed countries don't get invaded is very true.
    While I'm a proponent of nuclear hegemony (that is to say, I'd much rather France, Britain, Russia, China, America and a few other nations have nukes, than none, or all -- the Big Five are in effect distanced from the (loosely termed) "lesser" nations of today -- and that's a good thing), I think that it's only a matter of time before a nuclear country gets invaded in a big way. There has been a fifty, sixty year period of shock at the power of these weapons, and Germany isn't going to attempt to mess with France when it's force de frappe (the most effective nuclear deterrent on earth) is active, but it's only a matter of time before Pakistan and India go to war in a big way, or the drug wars in Mexico spill over into the US.

    And that'll be the true test of the intelligence of humanity. Were the United States to be invaded and conquered, would the government use its nuclear arsenal to turn the tide of the war?

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    Re: Is nuclear disarmament a good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    That may have been true in the fifties and sixties but not today. All we have to fear now is attacks by small groups of Arab terrorists with shoe, printer, and underwear bombs, definitely not nuclear threats by other nations...

    Nothing since the Cuban crisis back in the early sixties.

    ricksfolly
    yup no nutjob regimes with nkes anwhere. certainly no jihadi psycho regimes whose leadership has an iron-solid belief that Allah will protect them if they just destroy Israel and kick off WWIII in order to bring back the twelfth imam....

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    Re: Is nuclear disarmament a good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Is it true that people can be blinded by their belief that humanity is inherently good? That nations will just disarm themselves?

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    What do you mean that you can't touch your mind? That is ridiculous... crack your skull, shove in your finger and touch it. Brain surgery happens... horrible counter argument and completely lacking in logic.
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    Re: Is nuclear disarmament a good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yup no nutjob regimes with nkes anwhere. certainly no jihadi psycho regimes whose leadership has an iron-solid belief that Allah will protect them if they just destroy Israel and kick off WWIII in order to bring back the twelfth imam....
    If they're bringing him back...wouldn't he be the 13th imam?

    And if that wasn't an indication, I know almost nothing about the religion of Islam...
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    Re: Is nuclear disarmament a good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    That may have been true in the fifties and sixties but not today. All we have to fear now is attacks by small groups of Arab terrorists with shoe, printer, and underwear bombs, definitely not nuclear threats by other nations...

    Nothing since the Cuban crisis back in the early sixties.

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    Probably the only thing keeping India and Pakistan from all out war are the nukes... same deal protecting Israel.
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    Re: Is nuclear disarmament a good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    What do you mean that you can't touch your mind? That is ridiculous... crack your skull, shove in your finger and touch it. Brain surgery happens... horrible counter argument and completely lacking in logic.
    Far better would be "can you see the back of your head without any aid".

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