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    Re: How much do you care about taxing income

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    A tax system can be progressive but also have the requirement that, if one bracket is raised, they are all raised (or lowered in the case of negative brackets.)
    I could go with that, but theres still a lot of work left in the details about how that would be implemented.

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    Re: How much do you care about taxing income

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I could go with that, but theres still a lot of work left in the details about how that would be implemented.
    The biggest thing that'd have to be worked out is how to get the 47% of Americans who don't pay taxes TO PAY SOME!
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    Re: How much do you care about taxing income

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The biggest thing that'd have to be worked out is how to get the 47% of Americans who don't pay taxes TO PAY SOME!
    You know how you do that? Bring jobs back to the United States so people can make more money. Our #1 industry is the service industry, it used to be manufacturing. That's how you do it. It's that simple people!
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: How much do you care about taxing income

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    You know how you do that? Bring jobs back to the United States so people can make more money. Our #1 industry is the service industry, it used to be manufacturing. That's how you do it. It's that simple people!
    Baloney. Positively baloney. The way you do it is to make everyone who earns money pay taxes. Period.
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    Re: How much do you care about taxing income

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The biggest thing that'd have to be worked out is how to get the 47% of Americans who don't pay taxes TO PAY SOME!
    That statement sounds good on its surface, but when I really think about it, I run into some questions.

    1. Would those people be able to thrive without the additional support?
    2. Are there primary, secondary, and tertiery benefits to social assistance that we should be considering?
    3. What proof do we have that this arrangement is more or less optimal than a smaller government. Remember, pretty much all successful first world countries have a massive government and massive social programs.
    4. If benefits had to increase to make up the short fall, would these people even notice?

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    Re: How much do you care about taxing income

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I could go with that, but theres still a lot of work left in the details about how that would be implemented.
    True, just tying everyone to some form of additional taxation puts a "skin in the game" feeling for everyone.
    Even if we were to maintain the current negative tax rates, those people should still be required to sacrifice, like everyone else.
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    Re: How much do you care about taxing income

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    True, just tying everyone to some form of additional taxation puts a "skin in the game" feeling for everyone.
    Even if we were to maintain the current negative tax rates, those people should still be required to sacrifice, like everyone else.
    You cannot get something for nothing is a basic economic lesson that all adults know. So, I would support this on a social engineering level (and I am not against social engineering).

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    Re: How much do you care about taxing income

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    You cannot get something for nothing is a basic economic lesson that all adults know. So, I would support this on a social engineering level (and I am not against social engineering).
    I don't think it as social engineering.
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    Re: How much do you care about taxing income

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    That statement sounds good on its surface, but when I really think about it, I run into some questions.

    1. Would those people be able to thrive without the additional support?
    2. Are there primary, secondary, and tertiery benefits to social assistance that we should be considering?
    3. What proof do we have that this arrangement is more or less optimal than a smaller government. Remember, pretty much all successful first world countries have a massive government and massive social programs.
    4. If benefits had to increase to make up the short fall, would these people even notice?
    What?? #1 -- what additional support? I'm asking that people pay income tax. Ya' know, actually pay toward the infrastructure they use? #2 -- what does social assistance have to do with this? #3 -- what does the size of government have to do with people paying some income tax? #4 -- Huh?

    I don't get anything you're saying, Mega. Not trying to be difficult. I just don't understand. 47% of people don't pay income tax. Everybody should pay income tax.
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    Re: How much do you care about taxing income

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't think it as social engineering.
    Fairness is an innate trait in humans.
    I tend to look at it from a creating the behavior on society that you think would benefit society perspective, which is social engineering.

    You look at it from a fair perspective, which is not.

    Its all about intent. My goal is to produce more productive members of society through government intervention, since looking back at history, nonintervention has lead to all sorts of misery.

    Also, my idea of fair is different than yours. For me, to say that people should pay the same amounts is fair ignores the consequences, which can be very unfair. But I think that is a common argument between liberal and conservative/libertarian economic approaches.

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