• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

School advertisements

Is selling ad space in public schools appropriate?

  • Total voters
    23
Harry Guerrilla said:
Or the 700 Club....*shudders*
Click to expand...

I already addressed this and stated that topics such as religion and politics should obviously be off-limits and there would be no authority to modify what was taught.

A Nike Banner on the wall isn't going to break a kid's education, imo. :shrug:
 
theangryamerican said:
I already addressed this and stated that topics such as religion and politics should obviously be off-limits and there would be no authority to modify what was taught.

A Nike Banner on the wall isn't going to break a kid's education, imo. :shrug:
Click to expand...

No but long term the consequences of such actions could be bad.
We are already a heavy consumerist society, I don't like the idea of taking that all the way to schools.
 
theangryamerican said:
I already addressed this and stated that topics such as religion and politics should obviously be off-limits and there would be no authority to modify what was taught.

A Nike Banner on the wall isn't going to break a kid's education, imo. :shrug:
Click to expand...

And using my example, the Discovery Institute will tell you they are not a religious organization, and may decide to open up another can of worms and sic some lawyers on the district so that they (or a similar Trojan horse advertisers) can advertise there. This could also work the other way around, and some parents sic lawyers on the district because they disagree with the content of company X's ad, thus potentially costing the school district even more money above and beyond what is brought in by those Nike banners.
 
Goshin said:
Once upon a time, the only thing you needed for a school was a teacher, a student, something to write on, and a place to sit out of the weather. Nowadays you might add to that a computer and a few books.
Click to expand...

Most households can afford that. For those that can't, they can be provided at much less cost than the bloated educational infrastructure.

Goshin said:
We spend too much on things that are unnecessary to education, like two bureaucrats for every real teacher; fancy buildings that look like the sort of universities where only the rich kids can afford tuition; sports stadiums big and fancy enough for a college; and enough Fed-rule-compliance-paperwork to kill a whole forest for paper to write it all on.

Then when the budget cuts come, what's the first thing that gets cut? Not the frivolities or excesses, no.... not the bureaucracy or their bloated salaries.... no the first thing they cut is the real TEACHERS. Seen it happen. Ticks me off.
Click to expand...

Me too. Especially when there are programs I consider vital-- gifted and talented programs-- that many schools do not offer at all.

Goshin said:
So I have a hard time believing they are hurting that much. Do they still have sports programs? Yes? Then they aren't hurting... they just think they are.
Click to expand...

To be fair, school sports programs are often among the biggest sources of revenue for the school. It may be perverse to fund sports at the expense of more vital school programs... but it may also be necessary.
 
If a Church paid to have an ad for its parish in a school, we wouldn't allow it because of the First Amendment. Why is corporate indoctrination any different? Having no choice but to look at advertisements every day is still mind altering no matter what way you slice it. It's taking an environment that is supposed to encourage mental openness for learning and injecting it with imagery that has zero to do with education.

And the fact is, it's not needed. Teacher's unions are one of the biggest reasons why education quality is falling behind, followed by administrative costs. There is too much pork in most schools and it's costing too much money. Instead of trying to sustain a system that is obviously not working with corporate sponsorship, why not trim the fat?

Mmmm... all this talk about food is making me hungry.
 
marduc said:
And using my example, the Discovery Institute will tell you they are not a religious organization, and may decide to open up another can of worms and sic some lawyers on the district so that they (or a similar Trojan horse advertisers) can advertise there. This could also work the other way around, and some parents sic lawyers on the district because they disagree with the content of company X's ad, thus potentially costing the school district even more money above and beyond what is brought in by those Nike banners.
Click to expand...

I suppose, but our society is so litigious that you're likely to be sued for just about anything these days. The decision could easily be left up to the school board and PTA to vote upon which advertisers to allow and where the ads could be displayed. Frankly, as long as the advertising is strictly approved and product (not ideology) related, I don’t see this getting too out of hand.
 
Tashah said:
Do you think selling corporate advertising space in public schools is appropriate?
Click to expand...

No.Parents send their kids to school to be educated not blasted with advertisements. Its bad enough there is social indoctrination and needless programs, kids do not need to be indoctrinated with what products to buy. Little Timmy and Suzy do not need texts that have in the lower corner or back that says sponsored by Wal-Mart,Pepsico and Kraft or posters telling kids what phones they should buy. The schools should first cut all the unnecessary programs like art, music, foreign language, sports and any other unnecessary classes.Maybe they can raise taxes to fund the schools or cut some other programs to fund the schools. Advertising should never take place in schools.
 
theangryamerican said:
I suppose, but our society is so litigious that you're likely to be sued for just about anything these days. The decision could easily be left up to the school board and PTA to vote upon which advertisers to allow and where the ads could be displayed. Frankly, as long as the advertising is strictly approved and product (not ideology) related, I don’t see this getting too out of hand.
Click to expand...

That brings us back around to this bit I posted earlier:

marduc said:
It is bad enough that idiotic politicians hold as much sway as they do over what gets taught in the school...
...Or risk having school boards tailoring their message and their approach to entice certain sponsors?
Click to expand...

These are elected officials and they will let their own self interest and potential for re-election skew their decisions. Of course now that we have the Citizens United ruling* there is the "hey allow us to hang our banner in your schools and we will donate to your re-election campaign" issue to consider as well.

* I am not really versed in this ruling other than superficially. Nor am i privy to the legalities. even without this ruling this is a recipe for corruption.
 
Last edited:
Orion said:
If a Church paid to have an ad for its parish in a school, we wouldn't allow it because of the First Amendment. Why is corporate indoctrination any different? Having no choice but to look at advertisements every day is still mind altering no matter what way you slice it. It's taking an environment that is supposed to encourage mental openness for learning and injecting it with imagery that has zero to do with education.
Click to expand...


This is not the same as Separation of Church and State. That’s a ridiculous extrapolation to make. How is exposure to product advertised on a wall any different than sitting behind the kid playing with the new Apple gadget or wearing the latest clothes with logos emblazoned all over them? You make it sound as though it’s possible to keep kids in a vacuum. Even if it was, I’d still believe it to be unnecessary. Do you have any studies to backup that kid’s minds will be “altered” by product exposure?

marduc said:
That brings us back around to this bit I posted earlier:



These are elected officials and they will let their own self interest and potential for re-election skew their decisions. Of course now that we have the Citizens United ruling* there is the "hey allow us to hang our banner in your schools and we will donate to your re-election campaign" issue to consider as well.

* I am not really versed in this ruling other than superficially. Nor am i privy to the legalities. even without this ruling this is a recipe for corruption.
Click to expand...

Clearly School Board and PTA are positions ripe for corruption… I mean, they have so much power, right? ;)
 
Absolutely not.

Commercial interests already have incredible control and access to our lives and our families. The last thing we need is to give them MORE control.

If funding is truly an issue, there needs to be other methods explored than prostitution.
 
theangryamerican said:
This is not the same as Separation of Church and State. That’s a ridiculous extrapolation to make. How is exposure to product advertised on a wall any different than sitting behind the kid playing with the new Apple gadget or wearing the latest clothes with logos emblazoned all over them? You make it sound as though it’s possible to keep kids in a vacuum. Even if it was, I’d still believe it to be unnecessary. Do you have any studies to backup that kid’s minds will be “altered” by product exposure?
Click to expand...

There is a big difference between what a child does outside of school and the products they buy, and what they do at school. As long as it's mandatory for children to receive an education prior to the age of 16 and parents don't get to supervise their kids while at school, schools should remain as neutral as possible. School staff are the custodians of my child while I am not there. I would not plaster advertisements all over my home and so I would expect my child to have the same level of exposure at school (within reason).

I am entitled to demand that the education system refrain from commercially indoctrinating children.
 
theangryamerican said:
Clearly School Board and PTA are positions ripe for corruption… I mean, they have so much power, right? ;)
Click to expand...

I did not address their power, I addressed their desire to keep a job, or to have money.. which does have a lot of power.
 
Yes high school only. If a kid don't know what's out there by then there really no hope for him/her.
 
We have a new sponsor class!! todays lesson in Botany is brought to you by:

brawndo01.gif
 
Orion said:
I am entitled to demand that the education system refrain from commercially indoctrinating children.
Click to expand...


Ah. Then surely I am entitled to demand that the education system refrain from endoctrinating children politically, or in matters about which there is great controversy? Say, global warming? :)
 
MaggieD said:
Sports, music and art are far from non-essential courses in human development, Chevy. It's not the types of classes they're teaching. It's not these programs that are responsible for the run-away spending in Illinois schools.

It's the bureaucracy...it's teacher's salaries...it's their pensions.
Click to expand...

If it were up to me, I would cut it all. Its time to run some schools like a business.
 
If schools are suffering - then they need to figure out *why* they're suffering before they try to keep convincing my kids that they need to own more crap.
 
Goshin said:
Ah. Then surely I am entitled to demand that the education system refrain from endoctrinating children politically, or in matters about which there is great controversy? Say, global warming? :)
Click to expand...

or blind worship of the state
 
Tashah said:
Large and colorful adhesive stickers... bumper stickers on steriods.
Click to expand...

No I mean they'd have to open your locker every time they wanted to put a new ad in there. Kind of an invasion of privacy. I know schools have a right to check your locker when ever they want, but that would just be overboard.

Plus I knew a lot of girls who would decorate the insides of their lockers. And I knew a lot of guys who's lockers were completely trashed.
 
Goshin said:
Ah. Then surely I am entitled to demand that the education system refrain from endoctrinating children politically, or in matters about which there is great controversy? Say, global warming? :)
Click to expand...

So what you're saying is that you don't want them teaching science in science class. There is no controversy surrounding global warming. It is happening. It's only the American right wing and Glen Beck followers who think there is an international socialist conspiracy to control the economy through climate change scare tactics.
 
Orion said:
So what you're saying is that you don't want them teaching science in science class. There is no controversy surrounding global warming. It is happening. It's only the American right wing and Glen Beck followers who think there is an international socialist conspiracy to control the economy through climate change scare tactics.
Click to expand...


That is your opinion sir. My opinion is that the "A" in AGW is overhyped, and the world-threatening crisis aspect is also overhyped; and that there is considerable disagreement in scientific circles on those aspects of it.

My point is, who is yelling depends on whose ox is getting gored...
 
Goshin said:
That is your opinion sir. My opinion is that the "A" in AGW is overhyped, and the world-threatening crisis aspect is also overhyped; and that there is considerable disagreement in scientific circles on those aspects of it.
Click to expand...

Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but it has zero basis in scientific fact, which is why AGW is taught in schools and your opinion isn't. Unless the science changes and points to a different conclusion (which it hasn't), fact is fact.

Goshin said:
My point is, who is yelling depends on whose ox is getting gored...
Click to expand...

I'm not sure what that even means.
 
Only if the kids get a bunch of freebies out of being exposed to them:)

Example: Open your locker and there is an ad for Adidas? Kids should get a free Gift Card so they can go get em some new kicks.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom