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    Re: School advertisements

    If a Church paid to have an ad for its parish in a school, we wouldn't allow it because of the First Amendment. Why is corporate indoctrination any different? Having no choice but to look at advertisements every day is still mind altering no matter what way you slice it. It's taking an environment that is supposed to encourage mental openness for learning and injecting it with imagery that has zero to do with education.

    And the fact is, it's not needed. Teacher's unions are one of the biggest reasons why education quality is falling behind, followed by administrative costs. There is too much pork in most schools and it's costing too much money. Instead of trying to sustain a system that is obviously not working with corporate sponsorship, why not trim the fat?

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    Re: School advertisements

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    And using my example, the Discovery Institute will tell you they are not a religious organization, and may decide to open up another can of worms and sic some lawyers on the district so that they (or a similar Trojan horse advertisers) can advertise there. This could also work the other way around, and some parents sic lawyers on the district because they disagree with the content of company X's ad, thus potentially costing the school district even more money above and beyond what is brought in by those Nike banners.
    I suppose, but our society is so litigious that you're likely to be sued for just about anything these days. The decision could easily be left up to the school board and PTA to vote upon which advertisers to allow and where the ads could be displayed. Frankly, as long as the advertising is strictly approved and product (not ideology) related, I don’t see this getting too out of hand.
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    Re: School advertisements

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post

    Do you think selling corporate advertising space in public schools is appropriate?
    No.Parents send their kids to school to be educated not blasted with advertisements. Its bad enough there is social indoctrination and needless programs, kids do not need to be indoctrinated with what products to buy. Little Timmy and Suzy do not need texts that have in the lower corner or back that says sponsored by Wal-Mart,Pepsico and Kraft or posters telling kids what phones they should buy. The schools should first cut all the unnecessary programs like art, music, foreign language, sports and any other unnecessary classes.Maybe they can raise taxes to fund the schools or cut some other programs to fund the schools. Advertising should never take place in schools.
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    Re: School advertisements

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    I suppose, but our society is so litigious that you're likely to be sued for just about anything these days. The decision could easily be left up to the school board and PTA to vote upon which advertisers to allow and where the ads could be displayed. Frankly, as long as the advertising is strictly approved and product (not ideology) related, I don’t see this getting too out of hand.
    That brings us back around to this bit I posted earlier:

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    It is bad enough that idiotic politicians hold as much sway as they do over what gets taught in the school...
    ...Or risk having school boards tailoring their message and their approach to entice certain sponsors?
    These are elected officials and they will let their own self interest and potential for re-election skew their decisions. Of course now that we have the Citizens United ruling* there is the "hey allow us to hang our banner in your schools and we will donate to your re-election campaign" issue to consider as well.

    * I am not really versed in this ruling other than superficially. Nor am i privy to the legalities. even without this ruling this is a recipe for corruption.
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    Re: School advertisements

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    If a Church paid to have an ad for its parish in a school, we wouldn't allow it because of the First Amendment. Why is corporate indoctrination any different? Having no choice but to look at advertisements every day is still mind altering no matter what way you slice it. It's taking an environment that is supposed to encourage mental openness for learning and injecting it with imagery that has zero to do with education.

    This is not the same as Separation of Church and State. That’s a ridiculous extrapolation to make. How is exposure to product advertised on a wall any different than sitting behind the kid playing with the new Apple gadget or wearing the latest clothes with logos emblazoned all over them? You make it sound as though it’s possible to keep kids in a vacuum. Even if it was, I’d still believe it to be unnecessary. Do you have any studies to backup that kid’s minds will be “altered” by product exposure?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    That brings us back around to this bit I posted earlier:



    These are elected officials and they will let their own self interest and potential for re-election skew their decisions. Of course now that we have the Citizens United ruling* there is the "hey allow us to hang our banner in your schools and we will donate to your re-election campaign" issue to consider as well.

    * I am not really versed in this ruling other than superficially. Nor am i privy to the legalities. even without this ruling this is a recipe for corruption.
    Clearly School Board and PTA are positions ripe for corruption… I mean, they have so much power, right?
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    Re: School advertisements

    Absolutely not.

    Commercial interests already have incredible control and access to our lives and our families. The last thing we need is to give them MORE control.

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    Re: School advertisements

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    This is not the same as Separation of Church and State. That’s a ridiculous extrapolation to make. How is exposure to product advertised on a wall any different than sitting behind the kid playing with the new Apple gadget or wearing the latest clothes with logos emblazoned all over them? You make it sound as though it’s possible to keep kids in a vacuum. Even if it was, I’d still believe it to be unnecessary. Do you have any studies to backup that kid’s minds will be “altered” by product exposure?
    There is a big difference between what a child does outside of school and the products they buy, and what they do at school. As long as it's mandatory for children to receive an education prior to the age of 16 and parents don't get to supervise their kids while at school, schools should remain as neutral as possible. School staff are the custodians of my child while I am not there. I would not plaster advertisements all over my home and so I would expect my child to have the same level of exposure at school (within reason).

    I am entitled to demand that the education system refrain from commercially indoctrinating children.

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    Re: School advertisements

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post

    Clearly School Board and PTA are positions ripe for corruption… I mean, they have so much power, right?
    I did not address their power, I addressed their desire to keep a job, or to have money.. which does have a lot of power.
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    Re: School advertisements

    Yes high school only. If a kid don't know what's out there by then there really no hope for him/her.

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