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    Re: Let's put this one to bed. TAXES.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Nobody gives each other anything in capitalism.
    actually capitalists tend to be far more charitable to others than socialists and liberals



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    Re: Let's put this one to bed. TAXES.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually capitalists tend to be far more charitable to others than socialists and liberals
    Sort of. I edited my post to respond more roundly to your objection, by the way.
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    Re: Let's put this one to bed. TAXES.

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    sure-you like fly fishing?
    Yup! As long as I have a pair of waders.....I'm there man.
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    Re: Let's put this one to bed. TAXES.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    People generally don't "give" things in capitalism.

    Basically, yes, the wealthy need to foot the bill on social welfare programs. But those programs prevent the United States from winding up like a third-world country, with a mobile mass of unskilled laborers. It's better for the wealthy that they pay more taxes than for the United States wind up like a third-world country.
    1) the rich will always pay more taxes-what i object to is allowing the dem politicians to buy the votes of the many by promising them more and more handouts or entitlements that they won't have to pay any additional taxes for because the rich are saddled with more and more taxes

    2) there is no evidence we would end up a third world nation with a flat tax or a consumption tax. we became the greatest nation in the world before we had massive income redistribution and the war on poverty appears to be nothing more than a scheme to create more people addicted to the dem party's handouts



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    Re: Let's put this one to bed. TAXES.

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Yup! As long as I have a pair of waders.....I'm there man.
    where I fish the streams are narrow and deep-no waders needed.



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    Re: Let's put this one to bed. TAXES.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) the rich will always pay more taxes-what i object to is allowing the dem politicians to buy the votes of the many by promising them more and more handouts or entitlements that they won't have to pay any additional taxes for because the rich are saddled with more and more taxes

    2) there is no evidence we would end up a third world nation with a flat tax or a consumption tax. we became the greatest nation in the world before we had massive income redistribution and the war on poverty appears to be nothing more than a scheme to create more people addicted to the dem party's handouts
    I agree with you, but sadly it is a moot point. When 90% of the voting populace do not qualify as "rich" it will be nigh impossible to make them understand the wisdom behind reducing entitlements.
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    Re: Let's put this one to bed. TAXES.

    the rich will always pay more taxes-what i object to is allowing the dem politicians to buy the votes of the many by promising them more and more handouts or entitlements that they won't have to pay any additional taxes for because the rich are saddled with more and more taxes
    I don't think it's that simple.

    2) there is no evidence we would end up a third world nation with a flat tax or a consumption tax. we became the greatest nation in the world before we had massive income redistribution and the war on poverty appears to be nothing more than a scheme to create more people addicted to the dem party's handouts
    Depends on how you define greatness and what period you are talking about. A society can exist with wealth and power concentrated in the hands of the few and be very successful in terms of how it relates with other nations, but it's a transitional state. Eventually, the people on the lower rungs will want some of the wealth and power, and will refuse to comply with social and economic norms if they don't get it. Thus, child labor laws went out the window, public education became the norm, unemployment subsidies were instituted, etc.

    The United States was a powerful nation at the start of the 20th century, but not egalitarian.
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    Re: Let's put this one to bed. TAXES.

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    I agree with you, but sadly it is a moot point. When 90% of the voting populace do not qualify as "rich" it will be nigh impossible to make them understand the wisdom behind reducing entitlements.
    yeah I agree, the progressive income tax was designed to give congress more and more power

    they will learn the hard way when the house of cards collapses



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    Re: Let's put this one to bed. TAXES.

    This country came into existence because of a revolution against over taxation. If Obama and the democrats continue a revolution could happen again.

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    Re: Let's put this one to bed. TAXES.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I don't think it's that simple.



    Depends on how you define greatness and what period you are talking about. A society can exist with wealth and power concentrated in the hands of the few and be very successful in terms of how it relates with other nations, but it's a transitional state. Eventually, the people on the lower rungs will want some of the wealth and power, and will refuse to comply with social and economic norms if they don't get it. Thus, child labor laws went out the window, public education became the norm, unemployment subsidies were instituted, etc.

    The United States was a powerful nation at the start of the 20th century, but not egalitarian.
    good

    attempting to create equality has killed more people than any other thing over the last 100 years



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