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Thread: Let's put this one to bed. TAXES.

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    Re: Let's put this one to bed. TAXES.

    Quote Originally Posted by MissLToe View Post
    I chatted with a guy who said there should be zero taxes. He claimed that people would pay up if anything went wrong in their community. I roundly defeated him in that argument. How naive can people be?
    On the flipside, when I said that I think property taxes should not result in forfeiture of the property if you can't pay (presumably some other penalty could be instituted), not even talking about how MUCH they are, I got the standard "IF YOU WANT ROADS AND SCHOOLS AND POLICE AND PUPPIES AND MORNING DEW, YOU HAVE TO PAY TAXES!!!!" (Plus other weirdness which doesn't factor into this thread.)
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    Re: Let's put this one to bed. TAXES.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Don't believe it happens if it makes you feel better. But those of us who argue for lower taxes know all too well that it does.
    I don't feel strongly one way or another.

    constantly

    the class warfare jihadists constantly claim i don't want to pay any taxes

    in reality I only want to pay my fair share based on what I use and my share of common benefits. In other words, I should pay far less than I do since I don't get any additional de jure benefits for facing a de jure much higher tax bill than most voters
    That would depend on how you define 'use'. If American society and economy exists in an equilibrium, and taxes go into maintaining that equilibrium, then as a as a person more heavily invested in the success of the American economy than the average American, you should pay more.
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    Re: Let's put this one to bed. TAXES.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I don't feel strongly one way or another.



    That would depend on how you define 'use'. If American society and economy exists in an equilibrium, and taxes go into maintaining that equilibrium, then as a as a person more heavily invested in the success of the American economy than the average American, you should pay more.
    under a flat tax or a consumption tax the rich will pay more but their rates cannot be constantly voted up by those who suffer no additional rates.

    and I reject your opinion that I have a duty to pay more

    its actually the middle and lower classes use more government services



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    Re: Let's put this one to bed. TAXES.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    On the flipside, when I said that I think property taxes should not result in forfeiture of the property if you can't pay (presumably some other penalty could be instituted), not even talking about how MUCH they are, I got the standard "IF YOU WANT ROADS AND SCHOOLS AND POLICE AND PUPPIES AND MORNING DEW, YOU HAVE TO PAY TAXES!!!!" (Plus other weirdness which doesn't factor into this thread.)
    I asked this guy I was chatting with what happens if I didn't pay for the new road in town. He said that I wouldn't be allowed to use the road since it didn't "belong" to me. We debated back and forth for probably 30 - 45 minutes. I think he ended up knowing what he said was ridiculously stupid, but was too proud to admit it.


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    Re: Let's put this one to bed. TAXES.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    under a flat tax or a consumption tax the rich will pay more but their rates cannot be constantly voted up by those who suffer no additional rates.

    and I reject your opinion that I have a duty to pay more

    its actually the middle and lower classes use more government services
    Those services maintain American society. You need that society more than them, if not culturally, at least as far as maintaining your wealth goes. A middle class person can become middle class again in the next nearest tolerable society, but you'll probably never obtain the amount of wealth you enjoyed in America.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 11-06-10 at 11:20 PM.
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    Re: Let's put this one to bed. TAXES.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Those services maintain American society. You need that society more than them, if not culturally, at least as far as maintaining your wealth goes.
    BS again. you are making claims you cannot back up in order to justify parasitic taxes on others

    tell me, why are you afraid of a flat tax or a consumption tax.

    society needs wealthy people in order to subsidize the untalented and the unproductive

    you probably labour under the delusion that society GIVES the rich their wealth



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    Re: Let's put this one to bed. TAXES.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    under a flat tax or a consumption tax the rich will pay more but their rates cannot be constantly voted up by those who suffer no additional rates.

    and I reject your opinion that I have a duty to pay more

    its actually the middle and lower classes use more government services
    You're rich? I never knew that Can I be your fishin' buddy?
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    Re: Let's put this one to bed. TAXES.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    BS again. you are making claims you cannot back up in order to justify parasitic taxes on others

    tell me, why are you afraid of a flat tax or a consumption tax.

    society needs wealthy people in order to subsidize the untalented and the unproductive

    you probably labour under the delusion that society GIVES the rich their wealth
    People generally don't "give" things in capitalism.

    Basically, yes, the wealthy need to foot the bill on social welfare programs. But those programs prevent the United States from winding up like a third-world country, with a mobile mass of unskilled laborers. It's better for the wealthy that they pay more taxes than for the United States wind up like a third-world country.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 11-06-10 at 11:31 PM.
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    Re: Let's put this one to bed. TAXES.

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    You're rich? I never knew that Can I be your fishin' buddy?
    I wasn't aware working in an outdoor retail store makes anyone rich.

    Now if you supply that store with a one of a kind specialty item they can't get anywhere else like I do...

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    Re: Let's put this one to bed. TAXES.

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    You're rich? I never knew that Can I be your fishin' buddy?
    sure-you like fly fishing?



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