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    Re: Is Oklahoma Sharia Ban Constitutional?

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    Re: Is Oklahoma Sharia Ban Constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    In other words, it is looking more and more like the "right wing" is equal to "stupid" these days.
    One of these day's you'll write something worth reading.
    Today is obviously not that day.

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    Re: Is Oklahoma Sharia Ban Constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No worries, the law was worded by a bunch of ignorant right wing morons so it most likely also took care of that.

    From what I can gather, legal experts (something the writers of the law did not consult... and no the RNC and Tea Party are not legal experts) believe that ALL forms of religious material are now banned.... since that can go under "international law". Yes, American's did not invent/write the bible, that was someone in Europe/Middle East, and hence ... illegal to use. So that means the 10 commandments and all that... illegal to use by judges in any way.. even indirectly.. oh bugger... that means the 7 deadly sins are now legal!

    In other words, it is looking more and more like the "right wing" is equal to "stupid" these days.
    I don't know what repressed backwater you live in, but the "7 deadly sins" have always been legal here. (Though the left is trying to outlaw certain of them, like gluttony.)
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    Re: Is Oklahoma Sharia Ban Constitutional?

    The law is superfluous because U.S. law still trumps Sharia Law, the only difference is in considering which aspects of Sharia Law correspond to the U.S. legal system. Kandahar gave the good example of property division. If the basis of someone's will is Sharia Law and a judge is dealing with a family controversy, it makes sense for the judge to look at all aspects in order to consider what might be best for the family.

    All the people in OK have done is limit a judge's resources for determining a decision, and in a very broad, pre-emptive way that has nothing to do with any prior precedent or pre-existing case. The law is so superfluous that it doesn't even make sense that it was on the ballot. I know Muslims are the popular enemy at this time, but honestly... if nothing is happening then why pre-empt it? There was probably a more pressing ballot issue that could have taken its place.

    People need to stop watching Beck and wake up to reality.
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    Re: Is Oklahoma Sharia Ban Constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    The law is superfluous because U.S. law still trumps Sharia Law, the only difference is in considering which aspects of Sharia Law correspond to the U.S. legal system. Kandahar gave the good example of property division. If the basis of someone's will is Sharia Law and a judge is dealing with a family controversy, it makes sense for the judge to look at all aspects in order to consider what might be best for the family.
    Not if that person wants the court to ignore the law and instead apply things on the basis Sharia.

    All the people in OK have done is limit a judge's resources for determining a decision, and in a very broad, pre-emptive way that has nothing to do with any prior precedent or pre-existing case. The law is so superfluous that it doesn't even make sense that it was on the ballot. I know Muslims are the popular enemy at this time, but honestly... if nothing is happening then why pre-empt it?
    You should probably make sure you're on solid ground before you make sweeping proclamations such as this. The OK senator who introduced this cited something very specific. I suggest you read up.
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    Re: Is Oklahoma Sharia Ban Constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Not if that person wants the court to ignore the law and instead apply things on the basis Sharia.
    Can you please cite a case where this has happened in the U.S.? Please note, you must cite a case where U.S. law was completely ignored in favour of Sharia Law.

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    Re: Is Oklahoma Sharia Ban Constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Can you please cite a case where this has happened in the U.S.? Please note, you must cite a case where U.S. law was completely ignored in favour of Sharia Law.
    Sure. There was a case in NJ where a judge dismissed a rape charge against a man because Sharia law requires a wife always to submit to her husband. Therefore, the court said, the man had no criminal intent, even though she refused him. Never mind that actual NJ law says otherwise.

    Look, all you had to do was read up on this OK law and how it got introduced, because it's all right there. A little due diligence isn't too much to ask.
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    Re: Is Oklahoma Sharia Ban Constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Sure. There was a case in NJ where a judge dismissed a rape charge against a man because Sharia law requires a wife always to submit to her husband. Therefore, the court said, the man had no criminal intent, even though she refused him. Never mind that actual NJ law says otherwise.
    Link?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Look, all you had to do was read up on this OK law and how it got introduced, because it's all right there. A little due diligence isn't too much to ask.
    I am just asking you for information, no need to get defensive.

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    Re: Is Oklahoma Sharia Ban Constitutional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Link?
    Google it. It's not hard to find.


    I am just asking you for information, no need to get defensive.
    Information you should have had before you posted what you did.
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    Re: Is Oklahoma Sharia Ban Constitutional?

    Both freedom of/from religion and freedom of speech MUST BE limited..
    Our courts must realize this...its common sense....
    And our law-makers need to get on the stick and write laws to protect the decent people from the scum and the wealthy.

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