View Poll Results: How much do you care about balancing the federal budget (in the medium/long term)?

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  • I am a Republican/conservative; low taxes are more important than a low deficit

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  • I am a Republican/conservative; a low deficit is more important than low taxes

    10 37.04%
  • I am a Democrat/liberal; high spending is more important than a low deficit

    7 25.93%
  • I am a Democrat/liberal; a low deficit is more important than high spending

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    How much do you care about balancing the US federal budget?

    How much do you actually care about balancing the US federal budget? Democrats bludgeoned the Republicans with the issue in 2006, and Republicans did the same to the Democrats in 2010. Yet does either side actually give a damn about it? I certainly haven't seen any evidence to suggest that they do.

    The Democrats talked a lot about the deficit in 2006...but they promptly increased spending and cut taxes when Barack Obama was elected. Please don't misunderstand me; I'm well aware that the bailouts and economic stimulus were absolutely vital for the short-term health of the economy. However, they've also done absolutely nothing to address the problem in the medium-term. The Democrats have put forward no credible plan to stop the growth of entitlements. And now Barack Obama is saying that he wants to compromise with Boehner to extend the tax cuts.

    ...which brings us to the Republicans. The Republicans (especially the Tea Party) shrieked a lot about the deficit for the past few months. Yet what is their most pressing concern? Extending tax cuts for the wealthy. Are they going to cut (or even PROPOSE to cut) any major program by any amount that actually matters? John Boehner and Eric Cantor have both been asked that question in the last few days...and they've punted, which makes it obvious that the answer is no.


    Personally I have mixed feelings on the issue. It's certainly not as big of a deal as the out-party constantly makes it out to be. Even after the nastiest recession in generations, our debt-to-GDP ratio is still relatively low. In the short-term, I'm the first to argue for as much deficit spending as possible to stimulate our economy. However, our medium- and long-term budget deficit is a problem. I don't think we need a plan to completely balance the budget in the medium term...but we should work on developing a plan to keep it to no more than 1-2%. That way, we'll at least be able to grow our economy faster than we grow our debt.
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    Re: How much do you care about balancing the US federal budget?

    And before anyone asks where the poll option is for "I'm a Republican/conservative who wants a low deficit and low taxes and low spending" (or the converse for Democrats)...the entire point of the poll is to NOT allow you to do that. You actually have to make a tough choice instead of just reciting your talking points.
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    Re: How much do you care about balancing the US federal budget?

    Long term ... I would like to see a low deficit. However, I would support a high deficit if we have enough expansion to minimize it.

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    Re: How much do you care about balancing the US federal budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And before anyone asks where the poll option is for "I'm a Republican/conservative who wants a low deficit and low taxes and low spending" (or the converse for Democrats)...the entire point of the poll is to NOT allow you to do that. You actually have to make a tough choice instead of just reciting your talking points.
    You do know that they can have low taxes and make lots of cuts? It does not have to be low taxes and high deficit or taxes and tax increases and high deficit.
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    Re: How much do you care about balancing the US federal budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You do know that they can have low taxes and make lots of cuts? It does not have to be low taxes and high deficit or taxes and tax increases and high deficit.
    Yeah, except that doesn't actually happen in the real world. Hence the poll asking you to prioritize.
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    Re: How much do you care about balancing the US federal budget?

    "So when did you stop beating your wife?"


    Poll FAIL.
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    Re: How much do you care about balancing the US federal budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    "So when did you stop beating your wife?"


    Poll FAIL.
    Well, let's look at the question. There are three issues here: 1) Deficits, 2) Taxes, 3) Spending.

    Instead of braying about how wonderful the world will be when you get your way on all three of them (which hasn't happened in at least 80 years and isn't going to happen), I'm asking you to prioritize. Otherwise you're just spouting talking points rather than actually doing anything to advance the discussion and/or contribute anything intellectually.

    Would you be willing to raise taxes if it reduced the deficit? Or would you accept a bigger deficit if it meant lower taxes? I think that's a pretty straightforward choice.
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    Re: How much do you care about balancing the US federal budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well, let's look at the question. There are three issues here: 1) Deficits, 2) Taxes, 3) Spending.

    Instead of braying about how wonderful the world will be when you get your way on all three of them (which hasn't happened in at least 80 years and isn't going to happen), I'm asking you to prioritize. Otherwise you're just spouting talking points rather than actually doing anything to advance the discussion and/or contribute anything intellectually.



    Your questions require the voters to accept your conclusion. It's a fallacy called a "loaded question".
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    Re: How much do you care about balancing the US federal budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Your questions require the voters to accept your conclusion. It's a fallacy called a "loaded question".
    Wrong. That's just an evasive answer because you resent the whole concept that sometimes you have to prioritize in order to improve the economic standing of the country. OK, let's try this another way:

    Say that you were president, and you had the political capital to EITHER keep taxes low (at the cost of a high deficit), or keep the deficit low (at the cost of higher taxes). The opposition party prevents you from doing both. Which do you pick?
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    Re: How much do you care about balancing the US federal budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Wrong. That's just an evasive answer because you resent the whole concept that sometimes you have to prioritize in order to improve the economic standing of the country. OK, let's try this another way:

    Say that you were president, and you had the political capital to EITHER keep taxes low (at the cost of a high deficit), or keep the deficit low (at the cost of higher taxes). The opposition party prevents you from doing both. Which do you pick?



    Neither, I would cut programs, cut spending, cut pork, AND lower taxes.
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