View Poll Results: How much do you care about balancing the federal budget (in the medium/long term)?

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  • I am a Republican/conservative; low taxes are more important than a low deficit

    1 3.70%
  • I am a Republican/conservative; a low deficit is more important than low taxes

    10 37.04%
  • I am a Democrat/liberal; high spending is more important than a low deficit

    7 25.93%
  • I am a Democrat/liberal; a low deficit is more important than high spending

    9 33.33%
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    Re: How much do you care about balancing the US federal budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I'd balance the budget first,
    That wasn't so hard, now was it?
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    Re: How much do you care about balancing the US federal budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That wasn't so hard, now was it?


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    Re: How much do you care about balancing the US federal budget?

    There is no option there for my opinions. I am a firm believer that the purpose of government should be to govern - national defense, law enforcement, the judicial system, the corrections system, certain infrastructure, foreign policy, immigration policy are examples of things that I believe the government should do, and the government should collect taxes in an amount that pays for these functions without creating a deficit.

    Currently, the government is spending money on things that aren't related to governing. All spending on those items should be stopped! This includes the department of education, corporate bailouts, economic stimuli, social programs, research grants (unless directly related to national defense), etc. You all get the idea.

    Each person in the U.S. should fund the activities of government through taxes, and if unable to pay taxes the person should be required to perform services - If I'm too poor to pay taxes, I should have to file, sort mail, clean government buildings, or perform some service in lieu of paying my proportionate share of tax. Parents should be responsible for covering the requirement for their children until their children become adults.

    Disabled individuals (and I mean truly disabled - they would have to be debilitated to the point of being unable to reproduce, play sports, work a tv remote, etc) would be exempt - but the exemptions should be relatively limited. If you've served in the military - you should be considered to have paid your tax in full.

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    Re: How much do you care about balancing the US federal budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yeah, except that doesn't actually happen in the real world. Hence the poll asking you to prioritize.
    Raising taxes and cutting spending doesn't happen in the real world either. So I will still choose cut spending and lower lower taxes. Even if taxes were raised to lower the deficit those taxes raises would not go away once the deficit went away, those in office would use to the money to fund something else thus increasing our deficit.
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    Re: How much do you care about balancing the US federal budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Raising taxes and cutting spending doesn't happen in the real world either. So I will still choose cut spending and lower lower taxes. Even if taxes were raised to lower the deficit those taxes raises would not go away once the deficit went away, those in office would use to the money to fund something else thus increasing our deficit.
    Well, that is not really correct. Spending is always relative to population growth and G.D.P. Presidents have reduced the debt to G.D.P. ratio by raising taxes.

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    Re: How much do you care about balancing the US federal budget?

    The options for the poll are terrible.

    Spending -has- to be reigned in - and significantly. Spending on entitlements dwarf any and every other Federal outlay; said revenue is spent regardless of available revenue. Before there can be any discussion about anything else, this must be addressed.

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    Re: How much do you care about balancing the US federal budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The options for the poll are terrible.

    Spending -has- to be reigned in - and significantly. Spending on entitlements dwarf any and every other Federal outlay; said revenue is spent regardless of available revenue. Before there can be any discussion about anything else, this must be addressed.
    The options for the poll are a simplified version of what goes on in Congress. If there was an easy, foolproof method to a balanced budget, politicians would have gone for it already.
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    Re: How much do you care about balancing the US federal budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    The options for the poll are a simplified version of what goes on in Congress.
    That doesn't make them any less terrible.

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    Re: How much do you care about balancing the US federal budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That doesn't make them any less terrible.
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    Re: How much do you care about balancing the US federal budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by deb View Post
    There is no option there for my opinions. I am a firm believer that the purpose of government should be to govern - national defense, law enforcement, the judicial system, the corrections system, certain infrastructure, foreign policy, immigration policy are examples of things that I believe the government should do, and the government should collect taxes in an amount that pays for these functions without creating a deficit.

    Currently, the government is spending money on things that aren't related to governing. All spending on those items should be stopped! This includes the department of education, corporate bailouts, economic stimuli, social programs, research grants (unless directly related to national defense), etc. You all get the idea.

    Each person in the U.S. should fund the activities of government through taxes, and if unable to pay taxes the person should be required to perform services - If I'm too poor to pay taxes, I should have to file, sort mail, clean government buildings, or perform some service in lieu of paying my proportionate share of tax. Parents should be responsible for covering the requirement for their children until their children become adults.

    Disabled individuals (and I mean truly disabled - they would have to be debilitated to the point of being unable to reproduce, play sports, work a tv remote, etc) would be exempt - but the exemptions should be relatively limited. If you've served in the military - you should be considered to have paid your tax in full.
    So, lets recap- you would eliminate much of our medical system? ( since it would be unable to function w/o medicare and medicaid) Or would you just permit hospitals to refuse treatment of all low-income individuals and most of the elderly? Welfare would be eliminated except for military welfare recipients and the severely disabled. Or you would eliminate the V.A., as well? The unemployed would be sweeping streets and sorting mail for nothing and eating, what exactly? Higher education would be too expensive for most people so many private colleges would close. You would advocate what? - Heavy recuitment from China and India to fill all those jobs requiring higher education? Who do you think would fund basic research? Well, I guess the U.S. could concede that core endeavor to the Chinese, as well.

    Of course, gov't revenue would drop even as tax rates dropped because the middle class would be decimated and the G.D.P. would plummet. The effort to balance the budget with ever fewer $$ would create an economic death spiral until corpoartions began moving back to the U.S. for all the cheap, cheap labor.

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