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    Re: What do you think of voter initiatives and referendums?

    Initiatives are bad for pretty much all the reasons everyone already gave. Many people are ignorant, lazy, belief-blinded, or a combination of these.

    When I can ask random 100 random people on the street if they would ban a chemical with a list of "bad" things that it does or is a part of, and anywhere from 60 to 90 of them would say "yes" without knowing that the chemical, dihydrogen monoxide is actually water. I've seen the results of an experiment on this done. It wasn't pretty. The results of that particular experiment actually were 98 or 99 out of a hundred, with only one person knowing that dihydrogen monoxide was water.
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    Re: What do you think of voter initiatives and referendums?

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    There are some things out there in which the public opinion is shifting rapidly but the politicians opinion remains the same, like Marijuana. The only way Marijuana is going to be passed is through voter initiatives. Politicians don't have the balls to put something like this up for vote.
    yes it did, 54%-46%..Now go and poll the members of California's senate and house and see the disparity between the two.
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    Re: What do you think of voter initiatives and referendums?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What do you think of voter initiatives and referendums?

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    I love them. It gives the people more control seeing how the employees of the people aka the government sometimes does a lousy job. I wish the constitution was amended to allow this on the federal level.


    Here is a Wikipedia definition for those who do not know.
    I think it's a good way for the people to express their will on issues that politicians either won't or can't adequately address.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: What do you think of voter initiatives and referendums?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I think it's a good way for the people to express their will on issues that politicians either won't or can't adequately address.
    Producing a 'will' is a hard thing for an individual to do. It takes great strength of character. In groups, it is nearly impossible. The "will of the people" is a series of discontinuous impressions and impulses.
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    Re: What do you think of voter initiatives and referendums?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Producing a 'will' is a hard thing for an individual to do. It takes great strength of character. In groups, it is nearly impossible. The "will of the people" is a series of discontinuous impressions and impulses.
    Yes, but so are the acts of politicians. And when they enact and execute legislation without adequate checks and balances from the people those politicians represent, which popular initiatives and referendums can do, then their discontinunous impressions and impulses also become individually self-serving.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: What do you think of voter initiatives and referendums?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    I think the system of voter initiatives is a good THEORY, but in practice most voters are not educated enough and do not take the time to educate themselves to a necessary level to be able to make an informed vote on something.

    In California, people usually vote YES on all these school bonds and new parks, etc etc. But when it comes time for some new taxes or cutting something else to free up money to PAY for all these nice new things, people vote NO then wonder why we're broke.
    Then this just means the system needs a little tweak, not disregarded. Surely someone in office in that state can propose a law that any new spending initiatives/referendums/ballot questions require to state how they are to be funded.
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    Re: What do you think of voter initiatives and referendums?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then this just means the system needs a little tweak, not disregarded. Surely someone in office in that state can propose a law that any new spending initiatives/referendums/ballot questions require to state how they are to be funded.
    That's just the most obvious problem. The point is that voters don't consider the ramifications of their decisions. If you allow them to vote to fund lots of new parks, most of them won't think beyond "I like parks." If you allow them to pass a constitutional amendment requiring a two-thirds supermajority for tax increases, most of them won't think beyond "I don't like taxes."

    Voters don't consider the ramifications of their decisions. Many of them may not have even considered the issue at all until they stepped into the voting booth.
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    Re: What do you think of voter initiatives and referendums?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That's just the most obvious problem. The point is that voters don't consider the ramifications of their decisions. If you allow them to vote to fund lots of new parks, most of them won't think beyond "I like parks." If you allow them to pass a constitutional amendment requiring a two-thirds supermajority for tax increases, most of them won't think beyond "I don't like taxes."

    Voters don't consider the ramifications of their decisions. Many of them may not have even considered the issue at all until they stepped into the voting booth.
    If you require these things to have funding attached to them then it at least solves the problem of unfunded programs being enacted.
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    Re: What do you think of voter initiatives and referendums?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you require these things to have funding attached to them then it at least solves the problem of unfunded programs being enacted.
    Perhaps, but it still doesn't solve the problem of all the other ramifications of their decision that never enter the voters' mind when they're in the voting booth. Unfunded referenda is perhaps the most obvious example due to California's current economic woes...but it is by no means the only example.
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    Re: What do you think of voter initiatives and referendums?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then this just means the system needs a little tweak, not disregarded. Surely someone in office in that state can propose a law that any new spending initiatives/referendums/ballot questions require to state how they are to be funded.
    It doesnt matter, the money has to come from somewhere and voters WILL NOT allow programs to be cut or taxes to be raised, except for tobacco tax. The initiative system is like a lead balloon; sounds great on paper but in practice it's NOT a good idea.
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