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Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 14.0%

  • Probably

    Votes: 2 4.7%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 7 16.3%

  • Probably not

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No

    Votes: 28 65.1%

  • Don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    43
haymarket said:
Seriously. What better way to destroy the American way of life than to foist a system like libertarianism upon the nation?
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I dunno, perhaps you should ask jefferson or one of the founding fathers, damn those libertarians. :roll:
 
Well Jefferson left behind a whole lot of stuff written down on paper. What exactly did he say about libertarianism as it applied to the late 18th century for a relatively isolated tiny nation of 4 million people with an agrarian economy?
 
haymarket said:
from coronado



I am shocked. You having the nerve to call the last few SC appointees ignorant and obtuse.
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I'm not calling them ignorant and obtuse.

People who throw around legal terms without knowing their meaning, on the other hand ...
 
Patria Antiqua said:
Who said it's inadvertent?

I think quite a few fascist Americans parade as libertarians to draw people into their clutches.
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I think you're wrong.

How many libertarian events have you been to, by the way?
 
haymarket said:
Seriously. What better way to destroy the American way of life than to foist a system like libertarianism upon the nation?
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What exactly do you think the American way of life is?

Let me guess ... socialism? :roll:
 
haymarket said:
Well Jefferson left behind a whole lot of stuff written down on paper. What exactly did he say about libertarianism as it applied to the late 18th century for a relatively isolated tiny nation of 4 million people with an agrarian economy?
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What does it matter to you? Didn't you just dismiss the Federalist Papers out of hand upthread somewhere?

Is the past relevant or not? Make up your mind.
 
Coronado said:
How many libertarian events have you been to, by the way?
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Libertarian events?

Wouldn't that mean they were indulging in collectivism?
 
Coronado said:
What does it matter to you? Didn't you just dismiss the Federalist Papers out of hand upthread somewhere?

Is the past relevant or not? Make up your mind.
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I am sorry if my post was not clear to you. It was intended to be a bit sarcastic --- go back and read it again and you may discover that. The idea being that anything Jefferson about libertarianism only applied to the conditions at that time and is fairly irrelevant in the 21st century in a nation that is light years away from the one he helped begin.
 
haymarket said:
Well Jefferson left behind a whole lot of stuff written down on paper. What exactly did he say about libertarianism as it applied to the late 18th century for a relatively isolated tiny nation of 4 million people with an agrarian economy?
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So then in your opinion, the constitution they wrote, means nothing since it "applied to the late 18th century for a relatively isolated tiny nation of 4 million people with an agrarian economy"...

yet in another thread you are whining about poor olberman's constitutional rights.


Make up your mind man, you can't talk out of both sides of your mouth.
 
haymarket said:
I am sorry if my post was not clear to you. It was intended to be a bit sarcastic --- go back and read it again and you may discover that. The idea being that anything Jefferson about libertarianism only applied to the conditions at that time and is fairly irrelevant in the 21st century in a nation that is light years away from the one he helped begin.
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So basically that tosses out old, obsolete documents like the Constitution too, doesn't it?
 
Reverend & Coronado.....Do both of you have any concept that the Constitution we have today is NOT exactly the same one as written by the Founding Fathers wrote in 1787? Many, many, many changes have altered it significantly. You both should have taken a good American History class.... or listened a whole lot better if you did.

and rev - you missed the thanks button on Coronado's last post to me. ;)
 
haymarket said:
Reverend & Coronado.....Do both of you have any concept that the Constitution we have today is NOT exactly the same one as written by the Founding Fathers wrote in 1787? Many, many, many changes have altered it significantly.
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No ****, Sherlock! That doesn't change the fact that this country is still governed principally by a document written in the 18th century. It's been changed, but not as significantly as you wish.
haymarket said:
You both should have taken a good American History class.... or listened a whole lot better if you did.
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My education is none of your ****ing business, but rest assured that it is more than sufficient to school some snots on the Internet. You would do well to do less yapping and more listening.

EDIT: Oh, and let me thank your post so your feelings don't get hurt too badly. :roll:
 
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haymarket said:
Reverend & Coronado.....Do both of you have any concept that the Constitution we have today is NOT exactly the same one as written by the Founding Fathers wrote in 1787? Many, many, many changes have altered it significantly. You both should have taken a good American History class.... or listened a whole lot better if you did.
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Which of the first 10 amendments have changed since 1787. FAIL.


And as one so ignorant on basic contract law, you shouldn't be running your mouth off as to who should take what classes...


and rev - you missed the thanks button on Coronado's last post to me. ;)
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Once again, the Greatness that is the Good Reverend is not the topic, perhaps you should attempt to maintain composure when in the presence of greatness.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
And as one so ignorant on basic contract law, you shouldn't be running your mouth off as to who should take what classes...
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You know, as a person who runs his mouth off a lot while being ignorant about most of it, this part is pretty good advice. But there's really no way its going to hit home when it only comes after this part:

ReverendHellh0und said:
Which of the first 10 amendments have changed since 1787. FAIL.
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It's not being very charitable. It's certainly arguable that the bill of rights have "changed" even if they haven't been literally changed. They have been incorporated against the states for one thing. That's a pretty big change.

But if he clearly meant that they've been changed as in revoked or textually altered, then there are ways to say it that won't put this guy immediately on the defensive. Hell, just strike out the word "FAIL," which adds nothing to the content of the post anyway, and the whole thing becomes a lot nicer.
 
hey rev

Which of the first 10 amendments have changed since 1787. FAIL.
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News flash for you your Awesomeness: there were no Constitutional Amendments in 1787. They were adopted in 1791. You should have consulted with Coronado, our resident American History expert before posting that.

I guess this means that you now fa..... nah - too easy.
 
haymarket said:
hey rev



News flash for you your Awesomeness: there were no Constitutional Amendments in 1787. They were adopted in 1791. You should have consulted with Coronado, our resident American History expert before posting that.

I guess this means that you now fa..... nah - too easy.
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/facepalm



these little "Gotcha's" are peurile at best. 1787 vs 1789?


I guess when you fail at a coherent argument, all you have left is child like games. :shrug:
 
haymarket said:
hey rev



News flash for you your Awesomeness: there were no Constitutional Amendments in 1787. They were adopted in 1791. You should have consulted with Coronado, our resident American History expert before posting that.

I guess this means that you now fa..... nah - too easy.
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It doesn't really matter, since the Amendments have no standing with the courts either. :lamo

Speck, plank, etc.
 
Guy Incognito said:
You know, as a person who runs his mouth off a lot while being ignorant about most of it, this part is pretty good advice. But there's really no way its going to hit home when it only comes after this part:



It's not being very charitable. It's certainly arguable that the bill of rights have "changed" even if they haven't been literally changed. They have been incorporated against the states for one thing. That's a pretty big change.

But if he clearly meant that they've been changed as in revoked or textually altered, then there are ways to say it that won't put this guy immediately on the defensive. Hell, just strike out the word "FAIL," which adds nothing to the content of the post anyway, and the whole thing becomes a lot nicer.
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Perhaps you should read the whole thread before nit picking one of my posts to start a flacid little attack on the Good Reverend. At least then you can hide your trolling behind some pseudo-intellect.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
depends on which thread, in the olberman thread he's going on and on about constitutional rights of olberman to not listen to his employer's rules of employment.
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Any port in a storm, I guess. :shrug:
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
/facepalm



these little "Gotcha's" are peurile at best. 1787 vs 1789?


I guess when you fail at a coherent argument, all you have left is child like games. :shrug:
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The mistake you made would have caused you to fail if that was the question on the American History test. You can characterize that as child play or games but it was you who made the incorrect statement, it was you who were wrong, it was you who demonstrated a lack of knowledge about American History.
 
haymarket said:
The mistake you made would have caused you to fail if that was the question on the American History test. You can characterize that as child play or games but it was you who made the incorrect statement, it was you who were wrong, it was you who demonstrated a lack of knowledge about American History.
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I got a date wrong. It's not a big deal d00d, and it's not germain to this abhorrent topic of FAIL.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I got a date wrong. It's not a big deal d00d, and it's not germain to this abhorrent topic of FAIL.
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How many students have been forced to grovel and admit that they got the date wrong and thus do not deserve to FAIL? i do not know but I do know that now you are in that group.
 
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