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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Explain HOW.

    Tell me why is it impossible to refuse preferential treatment to certain businesses while simultaneously ensuring that the right to free speech, and the right to petition are protected?

    Why does refusing to bailout a business = repealing the First Amendment?
    Why do you think they bail out the businesses in the first place? It is not because there is nothing explicitly preventing them from doing so, even if there was that wouldn't stop them.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Harshaw - I really have no idea what it means to restrict freedom "too much".
    I'll bet you don't.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    And you obviously do not either since you cannot be specific or do anything beyond repeat vague platitudes and even vaguer slogans. Of course, to change course now would mean leaving the ideal world of abstracts and having to get down and dirty in the real world with real examples about real situations with real people with real consequences. But you really should try it if you want to get beyond those vague slogans.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And you obviously do not either since you cannot be specific or do anything beyond repeat vague platitudes and even vaguer slogans. Of course, to change course now would mean leaving the ideal world of abstracts and having to get down and dirty in the real world with real examples about real situations with real people with real consequences. But you really should try it if you want to get beyond those vague slogans.
    No, I actually have a pretty well-developed and internally-consistent set of principles which allow me to do that.

    You can continue to dismiss the concept of "freedom" as a "slogan" if you like, but you only continue to confirm what I've been saying.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    And yet another post repeating the same thing... which amounts to nothing of substance.

    Why do you avoid real world specifics like the plague?
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Galt - nobody is telling you to love it or leave it. All I am saying is that if somebody does not like the situation here and objects loudly to it with very little chance of getting what they want, perhaps they should exercise their freedom of choice and try to do better elsewhere.
    Would you have said the same thing to abolitionists in 1800? In 1800, there were as many abolitionists as there are libertarians now. And every abolitionist in 1800 would have very little chance of actually getting what they want in their own lifetime. Should they simply move?

    You're saying that just because I don't fall into the mainstream, I should leave.

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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Why do you think they bail out the businesses in the first place? It is not because there is nothing explicitly preventing them from doing so, even if there was that wouldn't stop them.
    That's where the second Bill of Rights would come in. The whole idea behind the Bill of Rights is that they can never be touched or altered.

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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Would you have said the same thing to abolitionists in 1800? In 1800, there were as many abolitionists as there are libertarians now. And every abolitionist in 1800 would have very little chance of actually getting what they want in their own lifetime. Should they simply move?

    You're saying that just because I don't fall into the mainstream, I should leave.
    First, I honestly have no idea what I would have said to anybody back in 1800.

    Second, how do you know the number of libertarians and abolitionists are about the same?

    Third, leave or stay as you see fit.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    First, I honestly have no idea what I would have said to anybody back in 1800.

    Second, how do you know the number of libertarians and abolitionists are about the same?

    Third, leave or stay as you see fit.
    You mean, love it or leave it.

    Second, the number of abolitionists in 1800 was VERY SMALL. They didn't enter the mainstream until about the 1840s.

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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    I say what I mean and I mean what I say. It would greatly further discussion if you did not interpret my words, twist my words, or attempt to change my words from what I wrote.
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