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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Then you will never be able to separate them, though it is largely futile either way.
    Explain HOW.

    Tell me why is it impossible to refuse preferential treatment to certain businesses while simultaneously ensuring that the right to free speech, and the right to petition are protected?

    Why does refusing to bailout a business = repealing the First Amendment?

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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why do you find it necessary to take what I have written and pervert it into a Frankenstein monster version of what I actually said? Why can't you deal with what i wrote instead of what you have wished I had written so you can give some glibertarian response to it?
    I am dealing with what you wrote, dude. I can't help it that you repeatedly dismissed "freedom" as a meaningless concept, and that you said comfort, conveniences, and government services are what makes the place great.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You should really find some place where you can go and do just that.
    Nope, restricting freedom isn't what you're talking about. Not at all.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You should really find some place where you can go and do just that.
    What's wrong with this country? What's wrong with letting people live their lives as they see fit, NOT as you see fit? If grassroots development means empowering those at the very bottom level (individualism) of society, then why not champion for the rights of the smallest minority instead of placating the whims of the majority?

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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    The mature citizen knows there is a balance between themselves as an individual and themselves as a member of the larger society. The mature citizen knows that no man or woman alive is free to do as they please in any way they want to do it. We are all bound by the larger society in which we live in. There are no walls keeping you or anyone here against their will if you do not like that arrangement.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Nope, restricting freedom isn't what you're talking about. Not at all.
    Almost all freedoms are restricted or have limits around them. Accept it and get used to it are you are going to be very frustrated libertarian.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    What's wrong with this country? What's wrong with letting people live their lives as they see fit, NOT as you see fit? If grassroots development means empowering those at the very bottom level (individualism) of society, then why not champion for the rights of the smallest minority instead of placating the whims of the majority?
    You, sir, have the patience of Job. I applaud you. Or pity you, I haven't decided which.

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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The mature citizen knows there is a balance between themselves as an individual and themselves as a member of the larger society. The mature citizen knows that no man or woman alive is free to do as they please in any way they want to do it. We are all bound by the larger society in which we live in. There are no walls keeping you or anyone here against their will if you do not like that arrangement.
    I like everything you said except the last statement. The last statement sounds like McCarthy-style, love-it-or-leave-it patriotic zealotry.

    But I don't disagree with everything else you said, which is why I specifically said that I don't support absolute freedom (anarchy). There are limits to freedom, but only limits must be that your free decisions do not obstruct the ability of others to make their own free decisions. Live and LET LIVE.

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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Almost all freedoms are restricted or have limits around them. Accept it and get used to it are you are going to be very frustrated libertarian.
    Never said otherwise. However, one who doesn't consider "freedom" a "meaningless concept" is far less likely to restrict it too much.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Harshaw - I really have no idea what it means to restrict freedom "too much". This hits me like another vague and meaningless term that without specific context attached is relatively meaningless.

    Galt - nobody is telling you to love it or leave it. All I am saying is that if somebody does not like the situation here and objects loudly to it with very little chance of getting what they want, perhaps they should exercise their freedom of choice and try to do better elsewhere.
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