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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Statements like this always reflect a fundamental misunderstanding of exactly why it is we're fortunate to be here. Hint: it isn't because of government services and "infrastructure."
    Perhaps you are not grateful for these things which make our lives better. I am.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps you are not grateful for these things which make our lives better. I am.
    Freedom makes our lives better. I'm quite grateful for that. And freedom is why we're blessed to be here. Not infrastructure. I'm pretty sure the huddled masses didn't brave storm and high seas to get here because we had awesome bridges.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    You can have all the freedom you want to have on your own island - and there are some available. There may be no infrastructure - but thats okay since you don't need it anyway. But if its freedom you value so highly, you are missing the boat here.

    I personally think its a vast combination of things that i am grateful for - freedom of course,. But I also am pretty darn grateful that the toilet flushes when it is suppose to, the lights come on when I flick the switch and I can drive or fly where I need to go and have a pretty good chance I am going to make it home in one piece.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You can have all the freedom you want to have on your own island - and there are some available. There may be no infrastructure - but thats okay since you don't need it anyway. But if its freedom you value so highly, you are missing the boat here.

    I personally think its a vast combination of things that i am grateful for - freedom of course,. But I also am pretty darn grateful that the toilet flushes when it is suppose to, the lights come on when I flick the switch and I can drive or fly where I need to go and have a pretty good chance I am going to make it home in one piece.
    All of which was provided because someone had the freedom and opportunity to invent and market it. Without it, you'd still be squatting in the dirt and riding a horse home.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Do you labor under the impression that I am criticizing freedom or being in business? Most of find out rather early in life that FREEDOM is a word and only has significance when meaning and context is attached to it. We then find out that there is no such thing as unlimited or unrestricted freedom as long as you live in a society with other people. As a responsible citizen, you discover the limits and boundaries of freedom and liberty and understand the relationship you have respecting the freedom and liberty of other people even when those rights and freedoms may appear to clash.

    I accept that we live in a representative democracy and I accept that the people have elected a government to run the various levels and branches of government for the people and in the name of the people.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Do you labor under the impression that I am criticizing freedom or being in business?
    No, I labor under the impression that you're wrong about what actually makes us fortunate to be here.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Libertarians do not believe that freedom is absolute. My freedom to swing my fist ends at your nose.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, I labor under the impression that you're wrong about what actually makes us fortunate to be here.
    And if you really truly believe that there is only one thing that makes people fortunate to be here, you really do not know people very well.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And if you really truly believe that there is only one thing that makes people fortunate to be here, you really do not know people very well.
    I really truly believe that you cited things which are perfectly available in places which we'd NOT be so fortunate to live. So, obviously, those things don't seal the deal.

    Comfort without freedom is a gilded cage. And it's particularly ironic when it's freedom, and only freedom, which made that comfort possible to begin with.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Its a meaningless and hollow word without meaning or context attached to it. You might as well invoke motherhood, bunny rabbits and christmas trees also.

    Lets be blunt about this: you and I can agree that freedom is a good thing - sometimes and in some situations. But I expect where we draw those lines would not always be in agreement. So to me its utterly silly and foolish to claim that you have an ideology based on freedom or liberty or anything else that is just a starting place for a bumper sticker.
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