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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Fine. Look forward to it.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Galt - please get this straight once and for all. I brought up affirmative action ONCE including with other civil rights issues that libertarians oppose. When you objected I said that while I can understand people opposing the program who otherwise have a positive record of supporting civil rights, as libertarians THEY HAVE NO SUCH RECORD. Instead, opposition to AF/AC is just one small item on a very long list starting with support for the secession of the South, support for the Confederacy, opposition to the 14th Amendment, opposition to Reconstruction and opposing almost every single Civil Rights law and proposal in the 20th century backed by the African American community.

    But go ahead and take af/action off the list for heavens sake. Its still one hell of a damning list for many libertarians.

    Is there some reason why you just don't get this? Forget about Af/action for heavens sake.



    Nope. When you have a ideology based on selfishness and self interest above all else, you don't want wonderful things for mankind.
    I wonder what would happen if our society decided to promote a sacrifice-yourself-for-others mentality.

    And first you admit AA is not a civil rights, then you include it in the long list of civil rights issues. I'll forget it, for your sake.

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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and one more thing Galt... you said this



    The business is open to the public. All the public. That so called private business could not operate or function without the tremendous infrastructure paid for by the people trough the institution of government. Every business in America which wants customers is subsidized one way or another by the infrastructure provided by government. If you are open to the public that means all the public.
    You're right! Let's do away with private property rights and have the government nationalize all industries! Then I suppose a gentleman's lodge must be forced to accept female members and bars must be fined thousands of dollars for letting women free on Fridays. Maybe you could use the same logic to argue that all businesses must allow patrons in for free, since the business is operationable only because of government infrastructure (which is total bull****).

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    Turning a legitimate point into a horrible Frankenstein monster caricature of the actual argument seems to be routine here for some. I would guess that is far easier than actually dealing with the point that was made and all its subtleties.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Turning a legitimate point into a horrible Frankenstein monster caricature of the actual argument seems to be routine here for some. I would guess that is far easier than actually dealing with the point that was made and all its subtleties.
    What point? Was it the falsehood that businesses couldn't exist without government's infrastructure, or that government has the authority to control businesses? The scariest argument here is the one that demands the federal government maintain control over private property.

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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Business in this land businesses do not exist without both the infrastructure which has been provided by the government and the customers provided by society who is represented by government. That is simply reality. To deny it is to deny reality.

    Sorry, but I do not know what you mean by government maintaining control over private property.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Business in this land does not exist without both the infrastructure which has been provided by the government and the customers provided by society who is represented by government. That is simply reality. To deny it is to deny reality.

    Sorry, but I do not know what you mean by government maintaining control over private property.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Business in this land does not exist without both the infrastructure which has been provided by the government and the customers provided by society who is represented by government. That is simply reality. To deny it is to deny reality.

    Sorry, but I do not know what you mean by government maintaining control over private property.
    Business owners already pay taxes. Due to their income, they usually pay a disproportionately large amount as well. Why do they have to essentially pay for these services twice?
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think you are unsalvageable.
    Coming from you that is a high compliment indeed.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Business owners already pay taxes. Due to their income, they usually pay a disproportionately large amount as well. Why do they have to essentially pay for these services twice?
    And how do they do that?
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