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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Because libertarianism is a belief system adopted by those who are willing to accept axioms as self evident truisms despite all real world evidence to the contrary.

    And Coronado - why are you so angry with me? Why can't you discuss these ideas calmly and without such ire?
    Evidence? Need proof.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Because libertarianism is a belief system adopted by those who are willing to accept axioms as self evident truisms despite all real world evidence to the contrary.

    Any evidence or is this your uninformed opinion?
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Because libertarianism is a belief system adopted by those who are willing to accept axioms as self evident truisms despite all real world evidence to the contrary.
    Useless declaration based upon your own personal prejudice and gross ignorance of the subject at hand.
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    And Coronado - why are you so angry with me? Why can't you discuss these ideas calmly and without such ire?
    Asked and answered in a previous post you conveniently ignored.

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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So which is it? You keep changing your position. Once we lock that down, perhaps an intellectual discussion on your part can begin. You are conceding a libertarian society would work under certain conditions, you need to explain with evidence how it would not work in present conditions.

    Please to explain.
    Not conceding anything. All I am saying is, that pure purposes of argument, let us assume for one minute that there were elements of a libertarian society in 1776, then if we ever return to those same conditions perhaps we may want to look at libertarianism. It is not an admission that 1776 WAS a libertarian system. Its a hard slap in the face saying "hey check it out dude - this ain't 1776 anymore" . Understand now? I was trying to be subtle with the earlier posts. I hope this clears it up.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Not conceding anything. All I am saying is, that pure purposes of argument, let us assume for one minute that there were elements of a libertarian society in 1776, then if we ever return to those same conditions perhaps we may want to look at libertarianism. It is not an admission that 1776 WAS a libertarian system. Its a hard slap in the face saying "hey check it out dude - this ain't 1776 anymore" . Understand now? I was trying to be subtle with the earlier posts. I hope this clears it up.

    you are making, unsurprisingly a false correlation all while ignoring multiple requests for you to back up your nonsensical posts with evidence.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Not conceding anything. All I am saying is, that pure purposes of argument, let us assume for one minute that there were elements of a libertarian society in 1776, then if we ever return to those same conditions perhaps we may want to look at libertarianism. It is not an admission that 1776 WAS a libertarian system. Its a hard slap in the face saying "hey check it out dude - this ain't 1776 anymore" . Understand now? I was trying to be subtle with the earlier posts. I hope this clears it up.
    You've managed to wrap a, thought terminating cliche and a bit of chronological snobbery in one quote.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    I am glad you brought this up Coronado. In another thread I asked the question that deals directly with your latest post. Why is it that so many misuse the word IGNORANT here? The actual meaning is that a person does not possess the knowledge or information necessary to understand a topic or issue. But when you and others use it is is employed as a mean spirited club against those who simply disagree with you.

    In point of fact, I have read Locke and Hobbes and many other political philosophers as part of my college education majoring in political science. I have read THE ROAD TO SERFDOM and regularly read the columns and writings of Lew Rockwell and other living libertarians. For the last several years I have discussed these matters with countless libertarians/Libertarians. I keep up on this stuff.

    What I believe is happening is that you find it frustrating and angering when somebody takes your self imposed willful belief system and rejects it totally and completely as just so much garbage. you then become angry that your belief system has been rejected. You do not want to accept that your belief system has been studied by those who disagree with you. You do not want to accept that your belief system is understood by those who disagree with you. You do not want to accept that your belief system has been found woefully wanting in so many areas and is simply not viable in the real world.

    I would love to discuss these matters with you but i would appreciate being treated like an adult and not some wayward child that you are angry at.

    So you lash out in anger at those who have rejected your belief system. This is easier than accepting that you have been heard, you have been understood and you have been completely and utterly found wanting. Perhaps your reaction is only human.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You've managed to wrap a, thought terminating cliche and a bit of chronological snobbery in one quote.
    Well sometimes we all get lucky.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    you are making, unsurprisingly a false correlation all while ignoring multiple requests for you to back up your nonsensical posts with evidence.
    I have no idea what that means or what you are asking for beyond what I have explained for you.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have no idea what that means or what you are asking for beyond what I have explained for you.



    That you have no idea, is apparently obvious. I mean you were asked twice to back up your claim by myself and another poster. You ignored it.
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