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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Well Jefferson left behind a whole lot of stuff written down on paper. What exactly did he say about libertarianism as it applied to the late 18th century for a relatively isolated tiny nation of 4 million people with an agrarian economy?
    What does it matter to you? Didn't you just dismiss the Federalist Papers out of hand upthread somewhere?

    Is the past relevant or not? Make up your mind.

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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post

    How many libertarian events have you been to, by the way?
    Libertarian events?

    Wouldn't that mean they were indulging in collectivism?
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    What does it matter to you? Didn't you just dismiss the Federalist Papers out of hand upthread somewhere?

    Is the past relevant or not? Make up your mind.
    I am sorry if my post was not clear to you. It was intended to be a bit sarcastic --- go back and read it again and you may discover that. The idea being that anything Jefferson about libertarianism only applied to the conditions at that time and is fairly irrelevant in the 21st century in a nation that is light years away from the one he helped begin.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Well Jefferson left behind a whole lot of stuff written down on paper. What exactly did he say about libertarianism as it applied to the late 18th century for a relatively isolated tiny nation of 4 million people with an agrarian economy?



    So then in your opinion, the constitution they wrote, means nothing since it "applied to the late 18th century for a relatively isolated tiny nation of 4 million people with an agrarian economy"...

    yet in another thread you are whining about poor olberman's constitutional rights.


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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I am sorry if my post was not clear to you. It was intended to be a bit sarcastic --- go back and read it again and you may discover that. The idea being that anything Jefferson about libertarianism only applied to the conditions at that time and is fairly irrelevant in the 21st century in a nation that is light years away from the one he helped begin.
    So basically that tosses out old, obsolete documents like the Constitution too, doesn't it?

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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Reverend & Coronado.....Do both of you have any concept that the Constitution we have today is NOT exactly the same one as written by the Founding Fathers wrote in 1787? Many, many, many changes have altered it significantly. You both should have taken a good American History class.... or listened a whole lot better if you did.

    and rev - you missed the thanks button on Coronado's last post to me.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Reverend & Coronado.....Do both of you have any concept that the Constitution we have today is NOT exactly the same one as written by the Founding Fathers wrote in 1787? Many, many, many changes have altered it significantly.
    No ****, Sherlock! That doesn't change the fact that this country is still governed principally by a document written in the 18th century. It's been changed, but not as significantly as you wish.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You both should have taken a good American History class.... or listened a whole lot better if you did.
    My education is none of your ****ing business, but rest assured that it is more than sufficient to school some snots on the Internet. You would do well to do less yapping and more listening.

    EDIT: Oh, and let me thank your post so your feelings don't get hurt too badly.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Reverend & Coronado.....Do both of you have any concept that the Constitution we have today is NOT exactly the same one as written by the Founding Fathers wrote in 1787? Many, many, many changes have altered it significantly. You both should have taken a good American History class.... or listened a whole lot better if you did.

    Which of the first 10 amendments have changed since 1787. FAIL.


    And as one so ignorant on basic contract law, you shouldn't be running your mouth off as to who should take what classes...



    and rev - you missed the thanks button on Coronado's last post to me.
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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    And as one so ignorant on basic contract law, you shouldn't be running your mouth off as to who should take what classes...
    You know, as a person who runs his mouth off a lot while being ignorant about most of it, this part is pretty good advice. But there's really no way its going to hit home when it only comes after this part:

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Which of the first 10 amendments have changed since 1787. FAIL.
    It's not being very charitable. It's certainly arguable that the bill of rights have "changed" even if they haven't been literally changed. They have been incorporated against the states for one thing. That's a pretty big change.

    But if he clearly meant that they've been changed as in revoked or textually altered, then there are ways to say it that won't put this guy immediately on the defensive. Hell, just strike out the word "FAIL," which adds nothing to the content of the post anyway, and the whole thing becomes a lot nicer.

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    Re: Do libertarians inadvertently enable fascism?

    hey rev

    Which of the first 10 amendments have changed since 1787. FAIL.
    News flash for you your Awesomeness: there were no Constitutional Amendments in 1787. They were adopted in 1791. You should have consulted with Coronado, our resident American History expert before posting that.

    I guess this means that you now fa..... nah - too easy.
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