View Poll Results: What should be done to cut down to help prevent voter fraud?

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  • In person voting(unless you are bed ridden).

    12 38.71%
  • Voter ID/registration required to be shown to vote

    12 38.71%
  • ID/driver's license required to be shown to vote

    19 61.29%
  • ID/driver's license to register to vote.

    16 51.61%
  • Voter ID/registration card with a photo of the voter.

    12 38.71%
  • In person to register to vote.

    9 29.03%
  • S.S. card to register to vote.

    6 19.35%
  • Birth certificate or naturalization document to register to vote.

    13 41.94%
  • Proof of address to register to vote.

    12 38.71%
  • other

    9 29.03%
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    Re: What should be done to cut down or help prevent voter fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Again you statement is idiotic. First of all ballots are anonymous so you can not prove fraud has or has not occurred.And it is idiotic to wait until something bad has happened before taking counter measures. If banks used your logic then they wouldn't get locks,safes and security cameras or hire guards until after they've been robbed and homeowners wouldn't bother locking their doors and windows until after they've been robbed blind. ID checks and many other things are a small price to pay to ensure that fraud does not happen.
    The only thing that's idiotic is this insistence about something that apparently cant be proved or disproved. You're asking us to take it on faith that there's this rash of voter fraud out there AND you're asking us to back the expenditure of resources to combat it when you cant give us ANYTHING to suggest it's even THERE!
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    Re: What should be done to cut down or help prevent voter fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    Oklahoma has paper ballots that are read electronically, calculated electronically, and the results fed from county election boards to the state election board electronically. There is not any system which cannot be corrupted. Whatever safeguards are put in place, there is someone who will figure out a way around them.
    This why we should take precautions so that it not just anyone can figure a way around it.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What should be done to cut down or help prevent voter fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    The only thing that's idiotic is this insistence about something that apparently cant be proved or disproved. You're asking us to take it on faith that there's this rash of voter fraud out there AND you're asking us to back the expenditure of resources to combat it when you cant give us ANYTHING to suggest it's even THERE!
    Again you can not prove fraud with anonymous paper ballots. So it is moronic to demand proof that fraud is indeed happening and it is moronic to not make it less susceptible to fraud seeing how you can not prove whether or not fraud has happened. Do you leave you home and car unlocked just because you have yet to be robbed? Do you wait until something comes up stolen before you secure your belongings?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What should be done to cut down or help prevent voter fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I call BS on that. You are telling my that it 90,000$ per election cycle just to have polling place workers spend a extra two or three seconds to ask for ID, wait another few seconds for someone to pull out their ID/driver's license and another few more seconds to see if the photo on the ID matches the person holding the ID and that the names match?
    It only makes sense that any extra step will require more time. Then there is the time explaining to people WHAT IS a valid ID, and explaining to them why they have to present it even if the election workers recognize them. Election workers are there to serve voters and try to make sure every qualified voter gets to vote. I've been doing it for 35 years, so I know a little about it.



    No it wouldn't. Again it does not take but a few extra seconds to ask for ID and for someone to pull their ID out. It probably wouldn't cost anything to take a black magic marker and write on a piece of paper please have your IDs/Driver's license ready and take some scotch tape and tape that sign to the door to speed things up even more.
    You have not dealt with the public very much if you think posting a mere sign guarantees compliance.

    How many time a year does heavy-turnout elections happen?
    At least twice every other year. Bigger precincts may be busy with less than the heavy-turnout.
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    Re: What should be done to cut down or help prevent voter fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Again you can not prove fraud with anonymous paper ballots. So it is moronic to demand proof that fraud is indeed happening and it is moronic to not make it less susceptible to fraud seeing how you can not prove whether or not fraud has happened. Do you leave you home and car unlocked just because you have yet to be robbed? Do you wait until something comes up stolen before you secure your belongings?
    Either show us some proof or back away from the table.
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    Re: What should be done to cut down or help prevent voter fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What should be done to cut down or help prevent voter fraud?

    Multiple choice poll.

    1.In person voting(unless you are bed ridden). If you in the state you show up to your polling place or if you are out of state you go to a designated polling place for out of state voters/absentee voting.
    2.Voter ID/registration required to be shown to vote
    3.ID/driver's license required to be shown to vote.
    4.ID/driver's license to register to vote.
    5.Voter ID/registration card with a photo of the voter.
    6.In person to register to vote.
    7.S.S. card to register to vote.
    8.birth certificate or naturalization document to register to vote.
    9.Proof of address to register to vote.
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    1.In person voting
    Unless you are crippled then there is no reason what so ever that you can not make it to a polling place to vote.


    2.Voter ID/registration required to be shown to vote
    3.ID/driver's license required to be shown to vote.


    You should prove that you are who you say you are when you vote.

    6.In person to register to vote.


    There should be no registrations by mail, you should have to show up the state election board with all the required documents to register to vote.


    4.ID/driver's license to register to vote.

    7.S.S. card to register to vote.
    8.birth certificate or naturalization document to register to vote.
    9.Proof of address to register to vote.

    What good does it do to have a voter ID card if there is nothing to verify who you say you are when you go to register to vote?


    5.Voter ID/registration card with a photo of the voter.
    In my state voter ID cards are just printed card stock.Anyone with a computer can print one of these out. A bank wouldn't let you use your Voter registration card to get a loan why should something so important as voting only require a printed piece of card stock or paper?
    First we have to define how much of a problem voter fraud is, as well as its causes, before we can begin to answer this question.

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    Re: What should be done to cut down or help prevent voter fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    It only makes sense that any extra step will require more time.
    Your act like its going to take 3 or four minutes to ask each person to show and polling place worker to look at a ID or that most voters are not going to have their ID present to speed things up.

    Then there is the time explaining to people WHAT IS a valid ID, and explaining to them why they have to present it even if the election workers recognize them.
    Post a sign. The sign could say what are valid forms of ID and that it is required by state law. When registering new voters they can be informed that they will be required to present a ID.

    Election workers are there to serve voters and try to make sure every qualified voter gets to vote. I've been doing it for 35 years, so I know a little about it.
    Then why make it sound like it will be difficult to post a sign in big bold letters or to spend a few extra seconds to ask for ID.




    You have not dealt with the public very much if you think posting a mere sign guarantees compliance.

    Considering the fact the majority of voters voted for this I am sure that huge vast majority of Oklahomans will comply , minus a few retards and attention whores trying to start some ****. If voting is really that important to them then they will bring their state ID or driver's license.


    I have worked at a airport parking garage before I know people do not pay attention to signs. However you sitting in a chair at a polling place can easily point to a sign.
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    Re: What should be done to cut down or help prevent voter fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Either show us some proof or back away from the table.
    Again your statement are idiotic. The fact is ballots are anonymous. So you can not prove if fraud did or did not happen, so it is idiotic to not take preventive measures.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What should be done to cut down or help prevent voter fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Your act like its going to take 3 or four minutes to ask each person to show and polling place worker to look at a ID or that most voters are not going to have their ID present to speed things up.
    Look, I don't know exactly how much extra time it will take. I only know it WILL take EXTRA time. I would think the state officials would be able to calculate that. They would then know how many extra workers it will take to process the voters. Then they can calculate how much extra it will cost. I have no reason to question their numbers of $90,000 for 6 elections. That would only be $15,000 per election, and paying workers $100 a day would only be 150 extra workers.



    Post a sign. The sign could say what are valid forms of ID and that it is required by state law. When registering new voters they can be informed that they will be required to present a ID.
    Good idea (rolling eyes).

    Then why make it sound like it will be difficult to post a sign in big bold letters or to spend a few extra seconds to ask for ID.
    A few extra seconds? will add up over the day. In addition to dealing with other problems.





    Considering the fact the majority of voters voted for this I am sure that huge vast majority of Oklahomans will comply , minus a few retards and attention whores trying to start some ****. If voting is really that important to them then they will bring their state ID or driver's license.
    Of course they will comply or they will not vote. It will still take extra time.
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    Re: What should be done to cut down or help prevent voter fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Again your statement are idiotic. The fact is ballots are anonymous. So you can not prove if fraud did or did not happen, so it is idiotic to not take preventive measures.
    You have no proof, just your claims. That means your claim, and point, are virtually worthless.

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