View Poll Results: Does Society Act?

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Thread: Does Society Act?

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    Re: Does Society Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Oh come on phatty, you know I was being facetious, and just using your same logical train of thought in the opposite direction to show how absurd your view is.

    It's clear where the disconnect here is. You think that people are 100% completely rational human beings, that are essentially omniscient, and thus every action and belief one holds is based on a rational decision. That would certainly lead to the logical conclusion that society does not exist, if of course it weren't for the fact that it's false.
    Individuality does not require omniscience.

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    Re: Does Society Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Well, true.

    It is the influence, peer pressure, and so forth that most people think of when saying "society".

    “Society” is individuals using their influence and/or power to get other individuals to agree with them - or at least, go along with their plan(s).

    Sometimes it’s subtle, sometimes overt. Sometimes ancient, sometimes new – but it’s always there.
    Other people influence, but in the end the initiation of action lies with the individual and not the group because a group does not act unless individuals act. No individuals, no group.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
    "True law is right reason in agreement with nature . . . Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature [and] will suffer the worst penalties . . ." - Cicero

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    Re: Does Society Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Other people influence, but in the end the initiation of action lies with the individual and not the group because a group does not act unless individuals act. No individuals, no group.
    What did you think I just said?

    Edit: Oh, and I finally voted in the poll.

    I chose "Dick Armey's Pubic Hair", because it seemed so off the wall, and even though I have no idea who that is, I was feeling crazy today.
    Last edited by The Mark; 11-02-10 at 11:36 PM.
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    Re: Does Society Act?

    Individuality does not require omniscience.
    The hyper-rationalism to which you adhere - both philosophically and economically - does require that the individual be completely knowledgeable about all possible options and their implications before choosing.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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