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Federation v Empire

In a war between the Federation and the Empire, who wins?

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Jetboogieman said:
Petak!

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If I start with the Klingonese, the overwhelming nerdiness of myself would be even more exposed. So I can't go there.

It's bad enough I was watching the original show when it aired and played D&D when it was still "Chainmail."
 
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Blackdog said:
If I start with the Klingonese, the overwhelming nerdiness of myself would be even more exposed. So I can't go there.

It's bad enough I was watching the original show when it aired and played D&D when it was still "Chain mail."
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I miss playing D&D... that's when true nerdiness is shown.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I miss playing D&D... that's when true nerdiness is shown.
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I still like the 2nd edition the best. 4th edition is OK, but it is just not the same game anymore.

Yea, I miss it as well. played from like 73 to around 94. Then played 4th edition maybe a year ago to try it out. Only played a couple times. Could not get into it.
 
Blackdog said:
I still like the 2nd edition the best. 4th edition is OK, but it is just not the same game anymore.

Yea, I miss it as well. played from like 73 to around 94. Then played 4th edition maybe a year ago to try it out. Only played a couple times. Could not get into it.
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We were avid players of 3.5 lol. Our games were epic.
 
Goobieman said:
My favorite character was a gay necrophiliac Minotaur named Blagg.
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Whenever I ran out of arrows, I'd pick up the character next to me and throw them at the Orcs. I also had a special attack the DM dreamed up for me, called 'POOF! You're gone!' It would eliminate all attackers within a fixed radius from my position... IF I hit the number (1-100) the DM was thinking with a couple 10 sided. The further off I was, the more damage I took. Didn't use that one too often...lol
 
Whovian said:
Whenever I ran out of arrows, I'd pick up the character next to me and throw them at the Orcs. I also had a special attack the DM dreamed up for me, called 'POOF! You're gone!' It would eliminate all attackers within a fixed radius from my position... IF I hit the number (1-100) the DM was thinking with a couple 10 sided. The further off I was, the more damage I took. Didn't use that one too often...lol
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If needed, Blagg would just pick 'people' up and head-butt them with his horns.
He didnt start out as gay or a necrophiliac - that all happened during the campaign.
 
Goobieman said:
If needed, Blagg would just pick 'people' up and head-butt them with his horns.
He didnt start out as gay or a necrophiliac - that all happened during the campaign.
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Goobieman said:
This isnt primary source material.
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How is it not primary source material? It's calculated based on things seen on-screen. It doesn't get any more primary-source than that.

Goobieman said:
IIRC, the power that a SD's shields/weapons require exceeds that of the reactor output.
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I'm not sure how you're figuring this. There is not really any information given that allows us to directly figure out what sort of power output the reactors are capable of. It's all inferred, mostly based on weapon power outputs.

The best calculation gives a lower limit on the output of the death star's main reactor, based on the amount of energy necessary for the superlaser to destroy alderaan. It is a gigantic amount of energy. Approximately 3 million times the energy output of our sun.
 
molten_dragon said:
How is it not primary source material? It's calculated based on things seen on-screen. It doesn't get any more primary-source than that.
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What seen on screen is primary source. The calculations are not.

I'm not sure how you're figuring this...
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Your source:
Star Wars: Acclamator troop transport
Heavy guns: 2.4 million megatons (200 gigatons per shot from each turret, 12 turrets)
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See the issue here?
 
Goobieman said:
What seen on screen is primary source. The calculations are not.
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Okay, I'll agree to that, but then very few of the numbers bandied about for star trek are primary source either.

Goobieman said:
Your source:

See the issue here?
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Well, those numbers come from one of the many 'technical manuals' that has been released for both franchises over the years (I believe). Some people count those as canon, others don't. It really just depends on what sources you want to allow in the debate.

Weapon power is pretty easy to calculate based on what's seen on-screen though. The asteroid field scene in TESB and the death star superlaser blasting alderaan are the two scenes I've seen used to do the calculations. Those calculations are pretty sound, and give numbers similar to what's posted up there. Claiming that the reactors in SW ships are incapable of supporting this level of power output then is ridiculous, since they can clearly do so (it's shown on-screen).

Specifically, the claim I've heard made that SW ships use simple fusion reactors is way off base. They quite obviously have something better than that.
 
Goobieman said:
On the heels of the Star Wars v Star Trek poll...

In a war between the Federation and the Empire, who wins?
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If it were a straight fight, the Federation would win, no contest. Leser blasters vs quantum torpedowes; light speed vs warp speed; I don't even know what vs cloaking divice.

But it wouldn't be a fair fight.

The empire could just use the Federation's enemeys as the Dominion did; only the Emporer is a much wiser evil ruler than the Founders, so he would win.
 
It all depends on who is writing the screenplay...
 
molten_dragon said:
Specifically, the claim I've heard made that SW ships use simple fusion reactors is way off base. They quite obviously have something better than that.
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They are fusion reactors, but those reactors use Unobtainium instead of uranium.
 
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Star Wars: Acclamator troop transport
Heavy guns: 2.4 million megatons (200 gigatons per shot from each turret, 12 turrets)
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That's just ridiculous. Seven shots from one turret could render the Earth's entire surface uninhabitable. There would never have been any need for the Death Star.
 
Jerry said:
If it were a straight fight, the Federation would win, no contest. Leser blasters vs quantum torpedowes; light speed vs warp speed; I don't even know what vs cloaking divice.But it wouldn't be a fair fight.

The empire could just use the Federation's enemeys as the Dominion did; only the Emporer is a much wiser evil ruler than the Founders, so he would win.
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The Empire has cloaking devices as well, but they aren't nearly as effective as the Federation cloaking devices
 
repeter said:
The Empire has cloaking devices as well, but they aren't nearly as effective as the Federation cloaking devices
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The Federation does not use cloaking devices. The Klingon's and Romulans do.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Remember the last Star Trek movie and the Romulan mining ship that can kill planets.
I think that says what kind of tech is superior.

Definitely Star Trek over Star Wars.
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True, but it was from the future. I mean in all honesty the stuff in the future of Star Wars may even be better.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Remember the last Star Trek movie and the Romulan mining ship that can kill planets.
I think that says what kind of tech is superior.
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The mining ship couldn't kill planets. The vulcan red-matter (which acted similarly to a black hole) killed the planets.

The mining ship just drilled the hole.

And let's be honest, it's not like the empire didn't have planet-destroying superweapons.
 
repeter said:
But they'd have access to captured cloak tech right?
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Yes they did, but they never got it to work correctly. It only worked one time for Scotty.
 
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