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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Star Trek vs. Star Wars is, at its heart, a debate about science vs. spirituality. The center of the Star Wars universe is a mystical faith - the Jedi & Sith, worshipping alternate aspects of The Force - where the Star Trek universe, while not completely neglecting the emotional and spiritual, is about the triumph of reason and sentience. So I'll take my side and say the Federation would win because it could adapt, whereas the Galactic Empire is just a bunch of Nazis ruled by an evil wizard and a cyborg.

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    Star Trek vs. Star Wars is, at its heart, a debate about science vs. spirituality. The center of the Star Wars universe is a mystical faith - the Jedi & Sith, worshipping alternate aspects of The Force - where the Star Trek universe, while not completely neglecting the emotional and spiritual, is about the triumph of reason and sentience. So I'll take my side and say the Federation would win because it could adapt, whereas the Galactic Empire is just a bunch of Nazis ruled by an evil wizard and a cyborg.
    WHY? Why did you just Godwin a thread about Star Wars and Star Trek. Seriously...Buzz Killington.

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This man GETS IT.
    Thats irrelevant if Federation weapons can't breach Empire shields. And we have two conflicting sources, and nothing substantive beyond that. As such, we can only find a battle between these two groups as inconclusive.
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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    WHY? Why did you just Godwin a thread about Star Wars and Star Trek.
    Godwin? Am I supposed to censor myself to avoid having some idiotic internet meme name-dropped on me? Read what I said and stop obsessing on trifles.

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Seriously...Buzz Killington.
    Hey, my argument was total pwnage! The Federation would win because science is adaptive while religion and militarism are socially rigidifying.
    Last edited by Troubadour; 10-28-10 at 11:06 PM.

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    Godwin? Am I supposed to censor myself to avoid having some idiotic internet meme name-dropped on me? Read what I said and stop obsessing on trifles.



    Hey, my argument was total pwnage! The Federation would win because science is adaptive while religion and militarism are socially rigidifying.
    Pretty sure Some Imperial officers said that to Lord Vader and you know what happened to them? The religion force choked their asses dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Pretty sure Some Imperial officers said that to Lord Vader and you know what happened to them? The religion force choked their asses dead.
    Pffft. Q would cancel that nonsense - it wouldn't be sporting to let the Empire cheat.

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    nah, the Federation is like the Old Republic from Star Wars. While the Empire is much like the Klingons. (central dictator with regional governors ring a bell)
    The Federation were just as much dicks as the Empire was. They were just slightly nicer about it.
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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    True, but nothing Vader couldn't handle. He also attacked the Temple with the clone troopers.
    There are far too many Federation species that would be immune to any of Vader's Jedi mind tricks, and his lightsaber another Jedi abilities would be no match for phasers. The Empire just doesn't have the technology. They are still operating on hyperdrives, needing lengthy computer calculations in order to initiate a faster than light speed jump. Warp drive is not only more efficient and faster, but by using the Picard maneuver, Federation ships could jump in and out of warp speed, destroying Empire ships at will. Shielding is not even close in technology. Also, a few Federation ships, such as the Defiant, are fitted with cloaking devices, making them even more destructive.

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I am a huge nerd too. And the real fact is, you'd have to be a huge Nerd to understand what the hell he's talking about.

    My nerdom is pretty strong, to the point where I absolutely had to have a Star Trek uniform for Halloween, ended up with an TOS Monty Scott uniform, it'll work lol.
    I've been to 6 Star Trek conventions.

    I win the nerd contest.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    There's nothing to on film support either of these statements.
    If you read the site that I posted, there is quite a bit of data to support both those statements. Phaser and Turbolaser power is fairly easy to calculate given some things seen on-screen. Shield strength can be inferred based on weapon power.

    As far as the hyperdrive vs. warp drive debate goes, it's a bit harder to tell. Nothing in the SW films really gives a good idea of hyperdrive speeds. It is alluded to that they are fast enough to cross the entire galaxy in fairly short time spans (something like days or weeks), but there's nothing concrete to back that up. If you go into the expanded universe material, that holds true.

    Star Trek is easier to figure, and it doesn't look good for them. The whole voyager series is essentially a testament to how slow federation warp drives are. 1000c at best. Nowhere close to hyperdrive speeds.
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