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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Not to mention the fact that the Empires relatively primitive "Lasers" were once sort of referenced in the show, A ship attacked the Enterprise with Lasers on board, much like the ones from Star Wars... and worfs exact words were "Lasers! That wouldn't even penetrate our navigation deflector".
    Despite being called turbolasers, SW weapons are clearly not lasers. They are visible, and propagate slower than light. This clearly precludes them being lasers.

    If you allow expanded universe sources for Star Wars (which some people do and others don't in this kind of debate) they explain that SW beam weapons are plasma/particle beam weapons, and not lasers.

    Then again, that doesn't fit what we see in the movies either (none of the beams are affected by gravity).
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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Despite being called turbolasers, SW weapons are clearly not lasers. They are visible, and propagate slower than light. This clearly precludes them being lasers.

    If you allow expanded universe sources for Star Wars (which some people do and others don't in this kind of debate) they explain that SW beam weapons are plasma/particle beam weapons, and not lasers.

    Then again, that doesn't fit what we see in the movies either (none of the beams are affected by gravity).
    Dude, send a Star Destroyer up against a defiant class, that thing wouldn't last 10 seconds, one quantam torpedo down the hatch, wipe out that bridge in a heartbeat. And as I understand it, in the star wars galaxy, shields are refferred to as "deflectors"...

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    Long live Emperor Palpatine! Long live Lord Vader!
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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Despite being called turbo lasers, SW weapons are clearly not lasers. They are visible, and propagate slower than light. This clearly precludes them being lasers.

    If you allow expanded universe sources for Star Wars (which some people do and others don't in this kind of debate) they explain that SW beam weapons are plasma/particle beam weapons, and not lasers.

    Then again, that doesn't fit what we see in the movies either (none of the beams are affected by gravity).
    I must be a nerd...I'm actually interested in this discussion.

    Speaking of the Turbo-Lasers being plasma/particle beam weapons, not actual lasers, it would seem to me that, since ST ships actually use plasma to transfer power around the ship (plasma conduits, anyone?), instead of wires or some such, it wouldn't be too hard to defend against plasma weaponry...

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Dude, send a Star Destroyer up against a defiant class, that thing wouldn't last 10 seconds, one quantam torpedo down the hatch, wipe out that bridge in a heartbeat. And as I understand it, in the star wars galaxy, shields are refferred to as "deflectors"...
    If by 'that thing' you mean the defiant class, then you sir, are quite correct.

    The yield of a quantum torpedo is around 130 megatons. The shields of an ISD can take something on the order of 10,000 megatons before collapsing.

    It would take FAR more than an single quantum torpedo to destroy an ISD, assuming that the ISD's shields actually protected against it (which is impossible to know, since it's never explained how quantum torpedoes work).
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    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    If by 'that thing' you mean the defiant class, then you sir, are quite correct.

    The yield of a quantum torpedo is around 130 megatons. The shields of an ISD can take something on the order of 10,000 megatons before collapsing.

    It would take FAR more than an single quantum torpedo to destroy an ISD, assuming that the ISD's shields actually protected against it (which is impossible to know, since it's never explained how quantum torpedoes work).
    Upon my own research. It appears that on paper, Star Wars is not only more advanced in terms of Weaponry, but shielding too.

    According to the numbers, PURELY based on the numbers from the technical manuals... a X Wing in theory, could sit stationary and blow a hole through the hull of the Enterprise D in a single shot, penetrating their shields.

    As far as it appears, visually it appears that Star Trek has the better technology, but in theory, according purely to the numbers... The empire would obliterate the Federation (not to mention the fact Starfleet does not have any credible army to speak of...

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Upon my own research. It appears that on paper, Star Wars is not only more advanced in terms of Weaponry, but shielding too.

    According to the numbers, PURELY based on the numbers from the technical manuals... a X Wing in theory, could sit stationary and blow a hole through the hull of the Enterprise D in a single shot, penetrating their shields.

    As far as it appears, visually it appears that Star Trek has the better technology, but in theory, according purely to the numbers... The empire would obliterate the Federation (not to mention the fact Starfleet does not have any credible army to speak of...
    NERD Alert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    NERD Alert.
    actually if you type it into Youtube, Star Trek Vs. Star Wars, this guy wrote an entire paper on what I just said in University and was reading it out.

    I merely borrowed from his nerdom.

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    actually if you type it into Youtube, Star Trek Vs. Star Wars, this guy wrote an entire paper on what I just said in University and was reading it out.

    I merely borrowed from his nerdom.
    Gay. I was going to award you major points for that nerdom for I am a huge nerd.

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Gay. I was going to award you major points for that nerdom for I am a huge nerd.
    I am a huge nerd too. And the real fact is, you'd have to be a huge Nerd to understand what the hell he's talking about.

    My nerdom is pretty strong, to the point where I absolutely had to have a Star Trek uniform for Halloween, ended up with an TOS Monty Scott uniform, it'll work lol.

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