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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Warp Drive would be the deciding factor. ST ships can fight while traveling at superluminal velocities, and hitting targets.

    SW technology shows no such capacity. Blaster bolts, travelling at less than lightspeed, would be unable to hit starships travelling at warp speed. The starships, however, could make strafing passes against the relatively-immobile Star Destroyers/etc and destroy them practically at will.

    In a sense, it would be a lot like the old Soviet Union vs USA conventional military argument. The Soviets went for quantity and used their weapons systems like clubs; the USA went for quality and used their weapons systems like fencing rapiers. Field engagements between US tanks and Russian made tanks used by Iraq revealed that a handful of US tanks could and did engage and destroy a hundred Russian-made tanks in short order. The US targeting systems and weapons were longer ranged and more accurate, and our tanks could shoot with pinpoint accuracy while moving at top speed, making them hard targets.


    Similarly, ST ships could fly by Star Destroyers at warp and destroy them at will. Warp drive would be the decisive factor. The only thing hyperdrive would be good for is running away from the battle after Starfleet kicks their assets.

    For another example, think about what one well-trained sniper with a modern .308 semi-auto, and a 4wheel ATV for transportation, could do to an entire company of Colonial era infantry armed with smoothbore muskets. He could kill several from a far greater distance than they could respond, then move to a new location faster than they could move, wait and do it again.

    SW vs ST would be a lot like that. The Empire's massive resources would simply make for a "target rich environment".


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    Yes, silly topic. But you raise a good point, perhaps inadvertantly -- let's not also forget the quality of training.
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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    The empire wins by a landslide. They have a huge edge in numbers, and a huge edge in weapons technology. The federation doesn't stand a chance.

    As a note, here's a link to a site that does a very in-depth comparison of the two universes' technology.

    Star Wars vs Star Trek Essays: Star Wars vs Star Trek in Five Minutes
    Anyone care to refute this? Because this is as close to a citable source as you can get on this subject. And it heavily favors the Empire
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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Anyone care to refute this? Because this is as close to a citable source as you can get on this subject. And it heavily favors the Empire
    I reject your reality, and substitute my own...

    Star Trek Vs. Star Wars Overview
    check reactor power, beam weapons, missile weapons, weapons range, STL (slower than light) drive, sensors, tactics, & other special advantages... all seem to favor The technology of Star Trek.

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Anyone care to refute this? Because this is as close to a citable source as you can get on this subject. And it heavily favors the Empire
    There's no way the Empire could win, a Federations ships phasers would tear through a Star Destroyer. A galaxy class is much, much smaller then a Super Star Destroyer, but has significantly more powerful shields and technology on board. Not to mention the fact that the Empires relatively primitive "Lasers" were once sort of referenced in the show, A ship attacked the Enterprise with Lasers on board, much like the ones from Star Wars... and worfs exact words were "Lasers! That wouldn't even penetrate our navigation deflector".

    Wow I am a nerd.

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    A ship attacked the Enterprise with Lasers on board, much like the ones from Star Wars... and worfs exact words were "Lasers! That wouldn't even penetrate our navigation deflector".

    Wow I am a nerd.
    I claim greater nerd-dom... becuase I know it was Picard who said that, not Worf...

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    Riker: "Lasers?!?"
    Worf: "Yes, sir."
    Picard: "Lasers can't even penetrate our navigation shields. Don't they know that?"
    Riker: "Regulations do call for yellow alert."
    Picard: "Hmm, a very old regulation. Well, make it so Number One. And, reduce speed . . . drop main shields, as well."
    Riker: "May I ask why, sir?"
    Picard: "In case we decide to surrender to them, Number One."

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I claim greater nerd-dom... becuase I know it was Picard who said that, not Worf...

    ST-v-SW.Net :: Okona and Turbolasers
    Goddammit!!!!!!!

    I have ashamed you Gene Roddenberry!!!!!!!!

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Warp Drive would be the deciding factor. ST ships can fight while traveling at superluminal velocities, and hitting targets.

    SW technology shows no such capacity. Blaster bolts, travelling at less than lightspeed, would be unable to hit starships travelling at warp speed. The starships, however, could make strafing passes against the relatively-immobile Star Destroyers/etc and destroy them practically at will.

    In a sense, it would be a lot like the old Soviet Union vs USA conventional military argument. The Soviets went for quantity and used their weapons systems like clubs; the USA went for quality and used their weapons systems like fencing rapiers. Field engagements between US tanks and Russian made tanks used by Iraq revealed that a handful of US tanks could and did engage and destroy a hundred Russian-made tanks in short order. The US targeting systems and weapons were longer ranged and more accurate, and our tanks could shoot with pinpoint accuracy while moving at top speed, making them hard targets.


    Similarly, ST ships could fly by Star Destroyers at warp and destroy them at will. Warp drive would be the decisive factor. The only thing hyperdrive would be good for is running away from the battle after Starfleet kicks their assets.

    For another example, think about what one well-trained sniper with a modern .308 semi-auto, and a 4wheel ATV for transportation, could do to an entire company of Colonial era infantry armed with smoothbore muskets. He could kill several from a far greater distance than they could respond, then move to a new location faster than they could move, wait and do it again.

    SW vs ST would be a lot like that. The Empire's massive resources would simply make for a "target rich environment".


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    The problem with this tactic is that federation weapons aren't powerful enough to penetrate the shields of most imperial ships. It would be like shooting spitballs at a tank.

    The empire would also have the edge in mobility, since hyperdrive is much faster than warp drive.
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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    The problem with this tactic is that federation weapons aren't powerful enough to penetrate the shields of most imperial ships. It would be like shooting spitballs at a tank.

    The empire would also have the edge in mobility, since hyperdrive is much faster than warp drive.
    Empire ships can't fire in hyperdrive, while Fed ships can fire some weapons in warp drive.

    And depending on which source you believe, ST weapons/shields might or might not be better than SW weapons/shields.

    I don't think we can make any conclusions. The sources for each side are equal, and I can't really tell which one is right.
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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I reject your reality, and substitute my own...

    Star Trek Vs. Star Wars Overview
    check reactor power, beam weapons, missile weapons, weapons range, STL (slower than light) drive, sensors, tactics, & other special advantages... all seem to favor The technology of Star Trek.
    The problem with that site is that they don't really give much in the way of numbers, and more importantly they don't say how they calculated the numbers that they do give. Not really much of a reference.
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