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Federation v Empire

In a war between the Federation and the Empire, who wins?

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soccerboy22 said:
Pretty sure Some Imperial officers said that to Lord Vader and you know what happened to them? The religion force choked their asses dead.
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Pffft. Q would cancel that nonsense - it wouldn't be sporting to let the Empire cheat.
 
OscarB63 said:
nah, the Federation is like the Old Republic from Star Wars. While the Empire is much like the Klingons. (central dictator with regional governors ring a bell)
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The Federation were just as much dicks as the Empire was. They were just slightly nicer about it.
 
Your Star said:
True, but nothing Vader couldn't handle. He also attacked the Temple with the clone troopers.
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There are far too many Federation species that would be immune to any of Vader's Jedi mind tricks, and his lightsaber another Jedi abilities would be no match for phasers. The Empire just doesn't have the technology. They are still operating on hyperdrives, needing lengthy computer calculations in order to initiate a faster than light speed jump. Warp drive is not only more efficient and faster, but by using the Picard maneuver, Federation ships could jump in and out of warp speed, destroying Empire ships at will. Shielding is not even close in technology. Also, a few Federation ships, such as the Defiant, are fitted with cloaking devices, making them even more destructive.

This would be a slaughter.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I am a huge nerd too. And the real fact is, you'd have to be a huge Nerd to understand what the hell he's talking about.

My nerdom is pretty strong, to the point where I absolutely had to have a Star Trek uniform for Halloween, ended up with an TOS Monty Scott uniform, it'll work lol.
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I've been to 6 Star Trek conventions.

I win the nerd contest.
 
Goobieman said:
There's nothing to on film support either of these statements.
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If you read the site that I posted, there is quite a bit of data to support both those statements. Phaser and Turbolaser power is fairly easy to calculate given some things seen on-screen. Shield strength can be inferred based on weapon power.

As far as the hyperdrive vs. warp drive debate goes, it's a bit harder to tell. Nothing in the SW films really gives a good idea of hyperdrive speeds. It is alluded to that they are fast enough to cross the entire galaxy in fairly short time spans (something like days or weeks), but there's nothing concrete to back that up. If you go into the expanded universe material, that holds true.

Star Trek is easier to figure, and it doesn't look good for them. The whole voyager series is essentially a testament to how slow federation warp drives are. 1000c at best. Nowhere close to hyperdrive speeds.
 
molten_dragon said:
Despite being called turbolasers, SW weapons are clearly not lasers. They are visible, and propagate slower than light. This clearly precludes them being lasers.
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which would make it impossible for them to hit a federation ship attacking them at warp speed.

game, set, match...federation.
 
repeter said:
Thats irrelevant if Federation weapons can't breach Empire shields. And we have two conflicting sources, and nothing substantive beyond that. As such, we can only find a battle between these two groups as inconclusive.
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If the Federation ships approach at lightspeed the Empire wouldn't even know they were coming and thus wouldn't have their shields up. Federation blasts them from c speed and the Empire never even knows what hit them. Either that or the Empire is forced to keep the shields up on all their ships continuously which will eventually drain their power supplies and leave them sitting ducks.

The Federation's ability to fight from FTL speeds is the deciding factor. The Empire has nothing to counter it.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I've been to 6 Star Trek conventions.

I win the nerd contest.
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Not even close to winning. I have EVERY Hamilton Collection Star Trek plate there is... most of the orginal cast members have signed them... I still have shrink wrapped 1st edition model kits for every version of the Enterprise... my kids bought me a reproduction phaser and communicatior from TOS... I have the mugs to go with the TOS platets...should I go on?

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molten_dragon said:
If you read the site that I posted, there is quite a bit of data to support both those statements. Phaser and Turbolaser power is fairly easy to calculate given some things seen on-screen. Shield strength can be inferred based on weapon power.
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This isnt primary source material.
Beyond that, I've read the site, several times.
IIRC, the power that a SD's shields/weapons require exceeds that of the reactor output.
 
OscarB63 said:
The Federation's ability to fight from FTL speeds is the deciding factor. The Empire has nothing to counter it.
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Need a closing argument?
Two words:
Genesis Torpedo
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I've been to 6 Star Trek conventions.

I win the nerd contest.
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I have been to 10-11 Star Trek conventions, several of them in full costume. I also spent an evening drinking beer with Jimmy Doohan. My best friend was news director at one of the local TV stations and "Scotty" agreed to do an interview after the Con. After the interview we sat around the station and drank beer and shot the **** with him for a couple of hours. very funny guy and very genuine.

I played D&D until I was 25 and I still play EQ2 online almost every night.

I have a large collection of the Star Trek collectors plates, action figures from TOS still in the original packaging, model kits still in the OP, box set of DVD from all the series except TNG, I have appeared in 3 amateur Star Trek films as a vulcan.

In high school, my two best friends and I were known collectively as "the Star Trek guys"

My nerdom is of epic proportions.
 
Whovian said:
Not even close to winning. I have EVERY Hamilton Collection Star Trek plate there is... most of the orginal cast members have signed them... I still have shrink wrapped 1st edition model kits for every version of the Enterprise... my kids bought me a reproduction phaser and communicatior from TOS... I have the mugs to go with the TOS platets...should I go on?

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I have you all beat....

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Me at a Star Trek convention in Chicago.

King freaking nerd!
 
awesome Blackdog... Awesome!

I've been to one convention. twas awesome, didn't have anything to dress up in though.
 
Jetboogieman said:
awesome Blackdog... Awesome!

I've been to one convention. twas awesome, didn't have anything to dress up in though.
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Buy some Federation underoos, hehehehe. They used to get really angry about that particular Klingon insult.
 
OscarB63 said:
I have been to 10-11 Star Trek conventions, several of them in full costume. I also spent an evening drinking beer with Jimmy Doohan. My best friend was news director at one of the local TV stations and "Scotty" agreed to do an interview after the Con. After the interview we sat around the station and drank beer and shot the **** with him for a couple of hours. very funny guy and very genuine.

I played D&D until I was 25 and I still play EQ2 online almost every night.

I have a large collection of the Star Trek collectors plates, action figures from TOS still in the original packaging, model kits still in the OP, box set of DVD from all the series except TNG, I have appeared in 3 amateur Star Trek films as a vulcan.

In high school, my two best friends and I were known collectively as "the Star Trek guys"

My nerdom is of epic proportions.
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LOL...a fellow in nerd-dom... awesome!

Met Jimmy Doohan in an elevator at a convention in Philly almost 30 years ago... He gets in, and I recognized him and said 'what floor Mr. Doohan'... he says 'lobby please'... so I hit the button and said 'BRIDGE'. He smiled and nodded. The doors open and I look out at the lobby and say 'Scotty! There's no...bridge!' Jimmy broke right into character and said 'I'll have to take care of that now, won't I Captian'. He signed my pic of him in his dress uniform (kilt and all), and wen on his merry.

Walter Koenig did a one man show atr Rutgers in Camden back in the mid 80's. It was a debate between Walter Koenig and Pavel Chekov... funniest thing I ever saw from a cast member (after S**T My Dad Says, of course). Got to go to the party after and shoot the S**T with him for a few hours after... good times... good times.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Just got my Halloween costume, TOS montgomerry Scott.

Same badge as your avatar.
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Kewl. If your handy, you can get the patterns for all versions of Star Trek uniforms from roddenberry.com. I believe they even have the patterns for Star Trek:Enterprise now.
 
The black pants I'm using are in the wash, so I had to improvise right now, also Star Trek costumes were completely sold out, this was the only one I could find in the whole city. And it's one size too big for me, I know it looks funny, but with a black shirt under it'll work out. With Black pants and shoes, actually doesn't look too bad.
 
Jetboogieman said:
The black pants I'm using are in the wash, so I had to improvise right now, also Star Trek costumes were completely sold out, this was the only one I could find in the whole city. And it's one size too big for me, I know it looks funny, but with a black shirt under it'll work out. With Black pants and shoes, actually doesn't look too bad.
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Not bad! For Federation scum!
 
Jetboogieman said:
The black pants I'm using are in the wash, so I had to improvise right now, also Star Trek costumes were completely sold out, this was the only one I could find in the whole city. And it's one size too big for me, I know it looks funny, but with a black shirt under it'll work out. With Black pants and shoes, actually doesn't look too bad.
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One thing you can never have too many of on away missions... 'red shirts'! Nice. I was gonna say they put the insignia on the wrong side, until I realized it was a mirror shot...lol. LLAP dude.
 
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