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Thread: Federation v Empire

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    For planet killing are we counting the Sun Crusher from SW?
    Never heard of it. Must not have been on-screen. So, no.

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Destroying planets isn't a war the federation can win. The federation has a few hundred, or a few thousand member systems at most. The empire has a million.
    The Feds dont have to crush every planet, just the important ones.
    Given the effort needed to do so - virtually none- there's no reason they cannot succeed at such an effort.

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    You've provided absolutely NO proof of any of this. Power estimates are available for SW and ST weaponry...
    Maybe I missed your response - what have you seen on-screen that supports the claim that a single shot from the turret of a transport has a 200GT yield?

    SW's largest ships are far larger than the largest federation ships, and carry more weapon emplacements
    Yeah, but that's meaningless if the the Imperial ships are the only ones getting hit.

    ST's only advantage is that they can fire from warp...
    That a rather impressive dismissal of an exceptional detail.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 11-02-10 at 02:31 PM.

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Meet the Interdictor Class Star Destroyer:
    To the Empire, this is a top-of-line captal ship.
    To the Federation, it is a large, slow target.

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    number of entire planets blown up by the federation? as opposed to born?
    Not sure I understand the question...?

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    With both the Federation and the Empire at their full capacity and strength, however, the Federation gets wiped from the galaxy post-haste.
    The only thing the Empire has is strategic speed, to a questionable degree.
    Without the ability to defend itself from Fed ships and weapons, the Empire dies.

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    For planet killing are we counting the Sun Crusher from SW?
    OK, here's what I found:

    Sun Crusher - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki

    Really?
    Isn't this a little far out, even for Sci-Fi?

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    right peaceful race who refused to allow anyone to fight...hence the use of the phrase "game over" no one wins because the Organians wouldn't let them fight.
    Again, that’s not what we’re debating. I didn’t start the topic, it’s not my fault you can’t bring all your toys to the fight. However, disabling weapons does not prevent someone from using the Force…

    but if you want technical merits... you are going to have to revise all the SW shield and weapons outputs down...since as they currently stand they are greater than the energy their reactors can produce.
    Please prove your points without making blanket statements. Admittedly, I’m no expert mathematician, but the stats of the average Imperial Star Destroyer here don’t seem out of line at all. Care to enlighten me?

    Imperial I-class Star Destroyer - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki


    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    To the Empire, this is a top-of-line captal ship.
    To the Federation, it is a large, slow target.
    Actually, the Interdictor is a support ship, not as heavily armed as the Imperial I-class or II-class Star Destroyer that are seen in the movies. Nevertheless, it still packs more firepower and shielding than any Federation ship. The key benefit of the Interdictor is that it negates your Warp Drive that you’ve been ineffectively touting for the last few posts. You can’t run. You can’t outfly us. Time to eat some turbolaser, bud.

    Further, your dismissal of anything that is not in the movies is ridiculous, as they are not the only accepted canon in the Star Wars universe, that according to Lucasfilm. It’s not our fault that your ST authors can’t write coherent books. Even with that caveat, I’ll gladly address anything in your universe you think might be relevant.


    OK, here's what I found:

    Sun Crusher - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki

    Really?
    Isn't this a little far out, even for Sci-Fi?
    More far out than Organians? If you don't like our weapons, you're free to concede at any time.
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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Actually, the Interdictor is a support ship, not as heavily armed as the Imperial I-class or II-class Star Destroyer that are seen in the movies. Nevertheless, it still packs more firepower and shielding than any Federation ship. The key benefit of the Interdictor is that it negates your Warp Drive that you’ve been ineffectively touting for the last few posts. You can’t run. You can’t outfly us. Time to eat some turbolaser, bud.
    You mean it negates hyeprdrive. How do you know it negates warp drive?
    As I said - large, slow target.

    Further, your dismissal of anything that is not in the movies is ridiculous...
    Only the movies/TV shows are inarguable canon. Thus, they are the only inarguable primary source materail and the only informatiion that need be considered..

    If you don't like our weapons, you're free to concede at any time.
    There's no reason to concede agianst weapons that cannot cause harm...

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You mean it negates hyeprdrive. How do you know it negates warp drive?
    As I said - large, slow target.
    Nope, your Warp Drive would be useless, but I was hoping you'd try to make that differentiation. The large domes on the hull of the Interdictor are gravity well generators, meant to pull passing ships back in to normal space. There have been several examples when a large gravitational anomaly pulled ships out of warp in the ST universe.

    The gravity well of the Dyson sphere in Relics forced the Enterprise-D out of warp, even though its surface gravity level was no higher than Earth-normal gravity.
    Further evidence of warp drive vulnerability to gravity wells is seen in Once More Unto the Breach when Worf used an inverse graviton beam (an anti-gravity beam) to keep Jem'Hadar warships from going to warp.



    Only the movies/TV shows are inarguable canon. Thus, they are the only inarguable primary source materail and the only informatiion that need be considered.

    This is a false statement, as the determining factor for canon is the governing body, specifically Paramount and Lucasfilm, respectively. Lucasfilm has specifically stated that other source material outside of the movies is also canon as long as it adheres to their guidelines. Iím sorry you donít like that, but themís the breaks. You canít ignore something because you donít think it should be considered.


    Keep going though, I was both a huge ST and SW fan in my younger years and my nerdom is more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
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