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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Its outcome is soooooooooo easily decided!

    A ship with Laser Cannons and Warp 1 that moves like a aircraft carrier. It has a so-so tractor beam. And I think has a decent force field. The most adventagous thing it DOES have is Darth Vader. That is ONE SHIP. Other ships might have a Sith. They can use the Force but how effectively against 400+ military personnel per Federation ship? OH! It can launch maybe 50 (at most) shuttle-type craft with hardly ANY shields
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    A Ship that has muti-phase phasers AND powerful Photon Torpedoes that can corner like a corvette AND with a Force Field AND heavy shields! Plus it could go to Warp 10 (if need be). It has a VERY powerful tractor beam AND can fire multiple phaser burts at the same TIME! It can scan and target every primary target point on a ship of the Empire and knock them out. PLUS it has a HUGE deflector dish. If that isnt enough a self destruct of a warp core that would turn anything in the surrounding area into bread crumbs! OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEAH!!!!!!!!! it has TRANSPORTERS!!!!!
    And that is just ONE SHIP

    Anyone who thinks the Empire would survive would be...... wrong.
    The Empire can soak a heavy loss of ships while the Ferengi and Klingon weapons merchants outfit their Imperial cruisers with the latest and greatest tech.

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Yeah, transporters could be mildly useful, but in the ST series, transporters are blocked way too easily. Even if SW shields couldn't originally prevent transporting onto their ships, you can guarantee that they'd figure out something that would stop it right real quick.
    As an aside: SW's turbo-fan jets only work in space in SW's reality. As soon as most of the ships we see in Episode 6 enter ST's reality they would stall out. So, sure, the Empire would have a lot of ships....at drift.

    ST could enter SW's reality no problem, as contra-grav works anywhere.

    I would assume that ST's computers wouldn't be so easily hacked by your average astro droid, but maybe R2D2 iz da pimp-daddy hackah yo and shouldn't be discounted so easily.
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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Ship-to-ship phaser shots have been deomstrated to be quite effective, even when both ships are moving FTL -- the Fed ships have the fire control necessary to keep the weapon on target long enough to do damage.
    If they didn't they'd be useless.
    The firing ship would have moved out of range before effective phaser fire could be placed on target.

    You might be able to keep a machine-gun pointed at a target while flying in a supersonic jet, but the jet would move out of the machine-gun's effective range long before you let off enough rounds to do any real damage. Your phaser cannons would need an effective range of several light years, and if you have that range, you wouldn't need warp; just sit back well out of range and snipe the Imperial ships.
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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Wow "Federation and Empire" that is a game that I have not played in years. Used to love the Lyrans.

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    IF their weapons can penetrate their shields, which we have yet to see.
    if they don't know they are coming, they probably won't have their shields up.
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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So a phaser cannon fired from warp in a strafing pattern.....each Imperial cruiser would receive about, what, 1billionth of a second worth of phaser-fire....that wouldn't make a scratch. You would need at least a few seconds of phaser fire to destroy a cruiser, which necessitates a drop from warp.
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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Wow "Federation and Empire" that is a game that I have not played in years. Used to love the Lyrans.

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    I forgot about Fed Space till you mentioned it. Great little game. I hated the Lyrans, played the Kzinti.
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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I forgot about Fed Space till you mentioned it. Great little game. I hated the Lyrans, played the Kzinti.
    Kzinti! I always had the Klingons subjegate them in the first turn or or two (Federation Space.) Had no choice, otherwise they would be a pain the rest of the game, lol. In Federation and Empire you would have been my main target as the Lyrans. You would have had to go down Red!
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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    As an aside: SW's turbo-fan jets only work in space in SW's reality. As soon as most of the ships we see in Episode 6 enter ST's reality they would stall out. So, sure, the Empire would have a lot of ships....at drift.
    What are you talking about? SW ships don't use turbo-fan engines. The only time we saw those was in the pod-racing scenes in Episode I (which coincidentally looks like the coolest sport ever invented).
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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Well, star trek ships are pretty slow, at least in terms of galaxy-spanning travel. If only on-film sources are being used, then there's nothing that directly states 'SW hyperdrives are X fast', but some quotes from the characters allude to the fact that hyperdrive is MUCH faster than warp drive.

    SW ships can't attack from hyperdrive the way ST ships can from warp, but being able to move between battles faster will be a big advantage.
    Then its pretty much game over for the Federation. Unless they could keep up with and eliminate Empire shpis before they arrived at their target (presumably a Federation planet), they couldn't hope to take out all the Empire ships before the planet is glassed. And this isn't even considering the use of a Death Star(s). If the Empire wanted, imagine how many Death Stars they could throw at the Fed's with their enormous resources...
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