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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    numbers don't matter for jack squat. federation ships can attack from warp, the empire would never know when or where they were going to get hit, no cloaking tech required. a couple of galaxy class cruisers could strafe an entire fleet of star destroyers, blow their ass to bits and be long gone before the empire knew what hit them.
    IF their weapons can penetrate their shields, which we have yet to see.
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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    numbers don't matter for jack squat. federation ships can attack from warp, the empire would never know when or where they were going to get hit, no cloaking tech required. a couple of galaxy class cruisers could strafe an entire fleet of star destroyers, blow their ass to bits and be long gone before the empire knew what hit them.
    So a phaser cannon fired from warp in a strafing pattern.....each Imperial cruiser would receive about, what, 1billionth of a second worth of phaser-fire....that wouldn't make a scratch. You would need at least a few seconds of phaser fire to destroy a cruiser, which necessitates a drop from warp.

    Just because your vessel can fire a weapon while a particular propulsion system is operating doesn't mean the result you want will occur.

    Anyway, why go the extremes? Why not just beam an explosive into the cruiser's reactor? K.I.S.S. ftw.
    Last edited by Jerry; 10-30-10 at 08:17 PM.

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So a phaser cannon fired from warp in a strafing pattern.....each Imperial cruiser would receive about, what, 1billionth of a second worth of phaser-fire....that wouldn't make a scratch. You would need at least a few seconds of phaser fire to destroy a cruiser, which necessitates a drop from warp.
    Still, if a Fed ship could drop from warp, guns blazing, unless the Empire ship has shields strong enough to defend itself, its screwed. And this, isn't even getting into whether an Empire ship can damage a Fed ship, though we can assume that the Empire would eventually win if ship-to-ship they can match the Federation.
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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Still, if a Fed ship could drop from warp, guns blazing, unless the Empire ship has shields strong enough to defend itself, its screwed. And this, isn't even getting into whether an Empire ship can damage a Fed ship, though we can assume that the Empire would eventually win if ship-to-ship they can match the Federation.
    I mean how hard would it be for a runabout to beem bridge crews into space?

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I mean how hard would it be for a runabout to beem bridge crews into space?
    On that note, I think its entirely probably to think that SW shields defend against transporters, and ST transporters only work if they drop their shields. If a ST ship dropped shields to kill one Empire ship, but was killed by a different Empire ship, the Empire would eventually win; they have the advantage in resources.
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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    On that note, I think its entirely probably to think that SW shields defend against transporters, and ST transporters only work if they drop their shields. If a ST ship dropped shields to kill one Empire ship, but was killed by a different Empire ship, the Empire would eventually win; they have the advantage in resources.
    Hmm you have a point, SW deflectors could deflect the transporter beem.

    Very well, then: ST will mass-produce the equivalent of a modern Tomahawk cruise missile with warp-2 engines and anti-matter warheads. The Imperial cruisers won't see them coming and their deflectors will either fail to block the explosion or be neutralized quickly.

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Hmm you have a point, SW deflectors could deflect the transporter beem.

    Very well, then: ST will mass-produce the equivalent of a modern Tomahawk cruise missile with warp-2 engines and anti-matter warheads. The Imperial cruisers won't see them coming and their deflectors will either fail to block the explosion or be neutralized quickly.

    The Emperor's only chance is to make the Borg Queen his new apprentice.
    Yeah, transporters could be mildly useful, but in the ST series, transporters are blocked way too easily. Even if SW shields couldn't originally prevent transporting onto their ships, you can guarantee that they'd figure out something that would stop it right real quick.
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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Okay, I'll agree to that, but then very few of the numbers bandied about for star trek are primary source either.
    Well, those numbers come from one of the many 'technical manuals' that has been released for both franchises over the years (I believe). Some people count those as canon, others don't. It really just depends on what sources you want to allow in the debate.
    As a rule, I keep with that I see on film; film is, inarguably, canon.

    Weapon power is pretty easy to calculate based on what's seen on-screen though.
    Well, OK -- what have you seen, on screen, that looks like 200GT worth of energy discharge - keeping in mind that 50MT is the largest nuclear wepon ever detonated.

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    Re: Federation v Empire

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    They are fusion reactors, but those reactors use Unobtainium instead of uranium.
    No wonder they were willing to kill all the blue monkeys.

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    Re: Federation v Empire

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