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Thread: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

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    Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    “Every single great idea that has marked the 21st century, the 20th century and the 19th century has required government vision and government incentive,” he said. “In the middle of the Civil War you had a guy named Lincoln paying people $16,000 for every 40 miles of track they laid across the continental United States… No private enterprise would have done that for another 35 years.”

    - Joe Biden, Manhattan Fund raising even 10/26/2010 - NY Daily News

    Think about some of the things you use every day. Some of the biggest inventions that have changed the way we live over the past 200 years. Our health. Transportation. Communication. Did all of those great ideas need government vision and government incentive?


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    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Why so... absolute? No middle ground?

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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Why so... absolute? No middle ground?
    Uhh.. use "Other"
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Why so... absolute? No middle ground?
    Joe Biden made it an absolute. So obviously the only correct answer is that he is incorrect.


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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    You know a range of options would produce a more interesting poll with a greater accuracy in describing what people on the board really think in an easily accessible visual aid.

    “Every single great idea that has marked the 21st century, the 20th century and the 19th century has required government vision and government incentive,” he said. “In the middle of the Civil War you had a guy named Lincoln paying people $16,000 for every 40 miles of track they laid across the continental United States… No private enterprise would have done that for another 35 years.”

    - Joe Biden, Manhattan Fund raising even 10/26/2010 - NY Daily News

    Think about some of the things you use every day. Some of the biggest inventions that have changed the way we live over the past 200 years. Our health. Transportation. Communication. Did all of those great ideas need government vision and government incentive?


    Now take the poll.
    You sure youre not.... trying to be divisive?

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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Joe Biden made it an absolute. So obviously the only correct answer is that he is incorrect.
    It sounds like your bitter about the... divisiveness... of his statements.

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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    SE, can you explain your answer?


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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Well as a total absolute I wouldn't say he is correct, an easy example would be the Wright Brothers and their flight at Kitty Hawk. However there are a great many inventions or accomplishments that owe their success or at least timely success to the the government, especially in the past, today I wouldn't be so quick to call much of what the government does as an accomplishment on the scale of some of the projects of the past.

    Example: Transcontinental railroad, fueling stations for ships across the Pacific on islands, the Panama Canal.

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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Well lets see....

    The computer Chip (dont remember if thats govt or not), The Internet, The Train system, The Highways, The elimination of major diseases, Landing on the moon, Major wars (for good or bad)...

    we could make a list of government accomplishments and instances where accomplishment was incentivised.

    lets make it a game!

    Oh yeah the microwave...

    possibly lasers...
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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Well lets see....

    The computer Chip (dont remember if thats govt or not), The Internet, The Train system, The Highways, The elimination of major diseases, Landing on the moon, Major wars (for good or bad)...

    Oh yeah the microwave...

    possibly lasers...
    How about asprin. Microsoft. The assembly line? The lightbulb?
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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