View Poll Results: Did all the great ideas of the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries need government?

Voters
51. You may not vote on this poll
  • Joe is absolutely correct

    10 19.61%
  • Joe is absolutely incorrect

    34 66.67%
  • Other (Explain)

    7 13.73%
Page 9 of 13 FirstFirst ... 7891011 ... LastLast
Results 81 to 90 of 128

Thread: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

  1. #81
    Banned Goobieman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Last Seen
    03-22-15 @ 02:36 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    17,343

    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    You're actually trying to say that the inventions themselves did not matter, it was the government making them popular that mattered?
    Seriously?
    We, the people, are OBVIOUSLY incapabe of doing anything for ourselves; we NEED government to take care of us.

    I always thought this was just a line liberals fed to unthinking people just to get their political support -- reading this thread and a few others like it, it is depressingly apparent that some of those liberals actually believe it.

  2. #82
    User
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Last Seen
    11-13-17 @ 08:25 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    140

    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    His exact words were:

    "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the internet."

    Transcript: Vice President Gore on CNN's 'Late Edition' - March 9, 1999
    I don't view that statement the same way. His use of words were awkward, but he didn't say that he, specifically, designed the Internet. He is expressing his involvement in moving the Internet forward but not as a designer.

    Al is not my fave, btw. However, I think the whole statement was twisted out of context. Notice Blitzer, who usually sits there with his thumb in his ear anyway, let it pass.

    There is a difference between "creating initiatives to move the Internet forward" and "inventing the Internet". It was a clumsy way to get his pov across, nothing more. Taking initiative to move initiatives forward doesn't mean that the person is the creator, only a promoter.

    I'm more taken aback by his global warming stance all the while living in a non-eco friendly house. Environmental issues are more of a concern to me than a misuse of words for something we all know didn't take place.
    Last edited by Sadie; 10-29-10 at 04:05 PM.

  3. #83
    Noblesse oblige
    Ockham's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    New Jersey
    Last Seen
    01-27-17 @ 07:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    23,909
    Blog Entries
    4

    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Dulcinea View Post
    I don't view that statement the same way. His use of words were awkward, but he didn't say that he, specifically, designed the Internet. He is expressing his involvement in moving the Internet forward but not as a designer.

    Al is not my fave, btw. However, I think the whole statement was twisted out of context. Notice Blitzer, who usually sits there with his thumb in his ear anyway, let it pass.

    There is a difference between "creating initiatives to move the Internet forward" and "inventing the Internet". It was a clumsy way to get his pov across, nothing more. Taking initiative to move initiatives forward doesn't mean that the person is the creator, only a promoter.

    I'm more taken aback by his global warming stance all the while living in a non-eco friendly house. Environmental issues are more of a concern to me than a misuse of words for something we all know didn't take place.
    I agree I don't think he out and out said he invented it. I do think he takes credit for helping invent it though.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


  4. #84
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I posted what I considered the most important modern inventions, and highlighted the significant role government played in each of them. Since you must have missed them, here they are again:

    1. Automobiles (interstate highway system)
    2. Airplanes (airports)
    3. The internet (DARPA)
    4. Television (FCC assigning broadcast channels)
    5. Telephone (phone lines infrastructure - joint public/private effort)
    6. Electricity (power grid)
    7. Plumbing (public sanitation/sewer systems)
    8. Antibiotics (large public health campaigns)
    9. High-yield crops (public R&D)
    All these things, more or less, existed without government.
    What government did was accommodate most of them.

    The internet already existed as an idea, before the government even started with it.

    High yield crop breeding has been going on for centuries, being done by private individuals.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  5. #85
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    dimensionally transcendental
    Last Seen
    08-15-11 @ 04:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    7,153

    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I agree I don't think he out and out said he invented it. I do think he takes credit for helping invent it though.
    Pretty sure he's the only government official who does, too.

  6. #86
    Politically Correct

    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:38 AM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    2,850
    Blog Entries
    8

    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    It's a hard question to answer. Sure, many inventions and ideas were created without direct government assistance. But what if, for example, we had no federal protection for intellectual property in the US? What if people who created novel inventions didn't get the incentive of a twenty-year monopoly over their inventions?

  7. #87
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by ??? View Post
    It's a hard question to answer. Sure, many inventions and ideas were created without direct government assistance. But what if, for example, we had no federal protection for intellectual property in the US? What if people who created novel inventions didn't get the incentive of a twenty-year monopoly over their inventions?
    People would still invent stuff, but I really don't want to turn this into a an IP debate.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  8. #88
    Politically Correct

    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:38 AM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    2,850
    Blog Entries
    8

    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    People would still invent stuff, but I really don't want to turn this into a an IP debate.
    It's possible. There are other incentives: reknown, private grants, etc. We don't have to get into an IP debate, but I do think IP incentives are a significant force in, if nothing else, the speed with which the public gains access to useful inventions. Which seems relevant to the initial question.

  9. #89
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by ??? View Post
    It's possible. There are other incentives: reknown, private grants, etc. We don't have to get into an IP debate, but I do think IP incentives are a significant force in, if nothing else, the speed with which the public gains access to useful inventions. Which seems relevant to the initial question.
    I don't agree, even without IP people would still invent stuff because they would be first to the market and first to profit.
    Not to mention that they would have more knowledge over the product to solve problems with it.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  10. #90
    global liberation

    ecofarm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Miami
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:13 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    66,359

    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    First to market and profit would last about 1 day and be worth about $1.50. Superior knowledge would last less than a day. Costs would not be returned; others would be reaping equal profits and pushing you out of the market by day 3. By day 5 you would be pushed out of the market by a large company and close business deeply in debt from R&D. On day 6, you would find no recourse. On day 7 the big sharks would rest and prepare to divide up the market next week.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 10-29-10 at 08:01 PM.

Page 9 of 13 FirstFirst ... 7891011 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •