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Thread: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Why so... absolute? No middle ground?
    "Every single great idea..." allows for no middle ground.

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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    I thought the GOP was the 'party of no'.. no middle gorund, no compromsie, etc. Seems like the right leaners in this thread all are willing to compromise and give the federal government 'some' credit for participation in 'some' of the most important ideas, inventions, concepts, etc... just not ALL like Biden claimed. However, the lefties don't seem willing to accept our compromise.

    Who is the party of 'no' now...

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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Dulcinea View Post
    Now in all fairness to Al - he really didn't say that he invented the Internet. (But I'll bet dollars to donuts he thinks about it from time to time.)
    His exact words were:

    "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the internet."

    Transcript: Vice President Gore on CNN's 'Late Edition' - March 9, 1999
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No, YOU are the one parsing his offhand choice of words, like it's a contract.
    Why don't you instead talk about his general point that government plays an important role in technology, instead of doing the lawyerly crap.
    Because Biden's claim, not the "general point", is the issue here?

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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    “Every single great idea that has marked the 21st century, the 20th century and the 19th century has required government vision and government incentive,” he said. “In the middle of the Civil War you had a guy named Lincoln paying people $16,000 for every 40 miles of track they laid across the continental United States… No private enterprise would have done that for another 35 years.”

    - Joe Biden, Manhattan Fund raising even 10/26/2010 - NY Daily News

    Think about some of the things you use every day. Some of the biggest inventions that have changed the way we live over the past 200 years. Our health. Transportation. Communication. Did all of those great ideas need government vision and government incentive?


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    There are some projects that are too big that no private corporation can do without the government being heavily involved.

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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham
    Every single great idea that has marked the 21st century, the 20th century and the 19th century has required government vision and government incentive,” he said. “In the middle of the Civil War you had a guy named Lincoln paying people $16,000 for every 40 miles of track they laid across the continental United States… No private enterprise would have done that for another 35 years.”

    - Joe Biden, Manhattan Fund raising even 10/26/2010 - NY Daily News

    Think about some of the things you use every day. Some of the biggest inventions that have changed the way we live over the past 200 years. Our health. Transportation. Communication. Did all of those great ideas need government vision and government incentive?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    There are some projects that are too big that no private corporation can do without the government being heavily involved.
    SOME is a fair statement. EVERY SINGLE is not. WOuld you agree then that Biden was incorrect?

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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    His exact words were:

    "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the internet."

    Transcript: Vice President Gore on CNN's 'Late Edition' - March 9, 1999
    Al should stick to hunting for Man-Bear-Pig.

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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    There are some projects that are too big that no private corporation can do without the government being heavily involved.
    Yes... and some that are not.
    If Biden is correct, then the above statement is false.

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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I thought the GOP was the 'party of no'.. no middle gorund, no compromsie, etc. Seems like the right leaners in this thread all are willing to compromise and give the federal government 'some' credit for participation in 'some' of the most important ideas, inventions, concepts, etc... just not ALL like Biden claimed. However, the lefties don't seem willing to accept our compromise.

    Who is the party of 'no' now...
    It depends on what you mean by "no".

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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No, YOU are the one parsing his offhand choice of words, like it's a contract.
    Why don't you instead talk about his general point that government plays an important role in technology, instead of doing the lawyerly crap.
    Why dont 'you' address your incorrect assertions about the list you provided, which has been counterpointed twice in this thread? Not willing to defend your own statements?

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