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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    I think people are being kind of simplistic when they think of 'ideas'. The telephone and internet had ideas behind them but were they really 'great ideas'? Not in the historical sense because they were a conglomerate of various ideas. This is in opposition to things like Fordism for example. Most people don't know this but the reason Ford became a staple of American culture was because the government gave Ford ridiculous tax breaks and leeway during the 1920s. How else would Ford have afforded to essentially create a completely new system of worker efficiency? As another example take telephony. The government has invested billions in the infrastructure that allows people to go on the internet and connect to the world. Mass warfare (a 'Great' idea of the 20th century) couldn't have been possible without the government investing heavily in the military complex ever since WWI. A typewriter is not a great idea. It wasn't even that good of an idea. It's a practical idea but a 'great' idea? Not really.
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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Well, some of them definitely needed government. I think if you look at the most important inventions, a good many of them had at least SOME significant government involvement...whether in infrastructure, R&D, coordination, or just good old fashioned regulation. What would you consider the most important inventions of the modern world? I think that any such list would include the following technologies, all of which had a significant role for the government:

    Automobiles (interstate highway system), airplanes (airports), the internet (DARPA), television (FCC assigning broadcast channels), telephone (phone lines), electricity (power grid), plumbing (public sanitation/sewer systems), antibiotics (large public health campaigns), and high-yield crops (public R&D).

    I'm sure there are some examples that didn't require much government involvement, but most of the inventions that I'd classify as among the most important did.
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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    some great ideas the government F'd up.

    anyone know the story behind Gene Stoner and the AR-15 assault rifle?



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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome! View Post
    My advice would be to read Biden's book: Promises to Keep. Amazon is selling for 2.60 from the original 25.95 retail. Such a small price to learn about the man, the essence that makes Joe Biden, the intellectual, the storyteller, the American hero and brilliant government mind...Our country owe's a debt to this legend...
    2.90? I couldn't justify that kind of cash to learn about the "essence that makes Joe Biden, the intellectual..... " PFFFT!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA~!!!!
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    OF course.
    Imagine a nation without government.
    Somalia
    Then imagine a theocracy.
    The middle ages "nations"

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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome! View Post
    My advice would be to read Biden's book: Promises to Keep. Amazon is selling for 2.60 from the original 25.95 retail. Such a small price to learn about the man, the essence that makes Joe Biden, the intellectual, the storyteller, the American hero and brilliant government mind...Our country owe's a debt to this legend...
    What exactly has he done that makes him an 'American Hero'? Specifically. No generalities please.

    As for 'brilliant government mind', this is the man that wanted to split Iraq into three different parts, remember? Brilliant is pretty much the opposite of Joe Biden.

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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    that's just the tip of the iceberg. There are hundreds of inventions, and dozens of concepts that did not require the government in any way, shape or form. Biden, as always, is an idiot.

    EDIT: My personal favorite is the transistor, developed in 1947 by Bell Labs... NO gov. assistance whatsoever.
    The technicians there recieved "government" educations.
    The government police protected the place.
    The government military kept the Japanese and Germans and English away..
    Why do people "think" that government is bad, that it is unnecessary.
    What is "government" anyway ?
    Think.

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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    We, as a nation, will be so much better off when government and enterprise really work together. When private enterprise owns up to its weakness - greed, and embraces regulation rather than fighting it.

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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The technicians there recieved "government" educations.
    The government police protected the place.
    The government military kept the Japanese and Germans and English away..
    Why do people "think" that government is bad, that it is unnecessary.
    What is "government" anyway ?
    Think.
    That's not what Biden said government helped with though. Go back to the OP and read his statement again. The government protects the shores of this country so does that mean the government has incentivized everything that has ever been thought of or ever invention or innovation made in this country? Of course not.

    And when exactly did the government protect the Murray Hill NJ location? Got a link for that?

    And a link for the government "kept the Japanese and Germans and English away.." away from what? And how did they "keep them away" exactly?


    And a correction for you. John Bardeen from Bell Labs who innovated the transistor went to a public schools and I can find no reference that he was admitted using government money nor that he received a "government" education. Nor do I see any "government" education applied to Walter Houser Brattain, who with Bardeen worked at Bell Labs on the transistor.

    Got a link to support your "government" education?

    I'm thinking you didn't research anything you wrote before you wrote it. I'll be very happy to read all the supporting documentation for your (mis)statements.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    As for 'brilliant government mind', this is the man that wanted to split Iraq into three different parts, remember? Brilliant is pretty much the opposite of Joe Biden.
    Not that I think Joe Biden is a genius, but what exactly is wrong with wanting to split Iraq into three different parts?
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