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Thread: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    In reference to the OP, I believe that we could argue that, consequently, every major screw-up that marked the 19th, 20th, and 21st centuries also required/involved the intervention of government....at least to a great extent.
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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Well, not every, but a significant amount. Even if it is something so simple as intellectual property protections.
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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't agree, even without IP people would still invent stuff because they would be first to the market and first to profit.
    Not to mention that they would have more knowledge over the product to solve problems with it.
    Correct, nevertheless, it is difficult to play with history here. I would still say it is an important contribution to the playing out of history.
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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Correct, nevertheless, it is difficult to play with history here. I would still say it is an important contribution to the playing out of history.
    It's had a significant impact on history, but how people think it has, is another story.
    It's been used for rent seeking, more than anything else.
    Last edited by Harry Guerrilla; 10-30-10 at 04:36 PM.
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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    “Every single great idea that has marked the 21st century, the 20th century and the 19th century has required government vision and government incentive,” he said. “In the middle of the Civil War you had a guy named Lincoln paying people $16,000 for every 40 miles of track they laid across the continental United States… No private enterprise would have done that for another 35 years.”

    - Joe Biden, Manhattan Fund raising even 10/26/2010 - NY Daily News

    Think about some of the things you use every day. Some of the biggest inventions that have changed the way we live over the past 200 years. Our health. Transportation. Communication. Did all of those great ideas need government vision and government incentive?


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    Pretty much all of them needed some vision and incentive from the government, yeah.

    Any idea that couldn't be executed in an anarchical society requires help from the government, directly or indirectly.
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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Well, not every, but a significant amount. Even if it is something so simple as intellectual property protections.
    Doubtful.

    http://mises.org/journals/jls/15_2/15_2_1.pdf

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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The interstate system was built because of so many vehicles.
    Actually, the interstate system was first developed largely in order to move soldiers and military equipment around the country in the event of a Soviet invasion. It was championed by President Eisenhower due to his experience with the 1919 Army Convoy and as the commander of Allied forces in Europe during World War II.

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    Re: Joe Biden: Great ideas of the last 200 years needed government

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Actually, the interstate system was first developed largely in order to move soldiers and military equipment around the country in the event of a Soviet invasion. It was championed by President Eisenhower due to his experience with the 1919 Army Convoy and as the commander of Allied forces in Europe during World War II.
    The interstate web wasn't a 'new' idea by any means, though - they improved an already existing idea. They didn't come up with it - nor was our government the first to make such significant improvements by function *of the government* leading said road-construction projects.
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