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  • Evolution

    80 78.43%
  • Intelligent Design

    1 0.98%
  • Creationism

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  • Every theory in this area

    11 10.78%
  • Only these 3 or 2 of these three

    3 2.94%
  • None of these

    4 3.92%
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I think you're getting logic mixed up with science. Negation of a theory doesn't mean the theory ceases to be science. The fact that you have attempted to show a premise upon which the theory rests to be false, you have also proven that the theory itself is science. Thank you for making my point for me.
    evolution is not random. this says nothing about any ID theory. I am not mixed up
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    evolution is not random. this says nothing about any ID theory. I am not mixed up
    I don't think you understand the argument. It's complicated stuff, so don't feel bad. It is sometimes too much for a layperson to follow.

    But we're talking here about philosophy of science, not about the merits of the arguments themselves. Whether or not something is a scientific theory has nothing to do with whether or not it is actually true. So, yes, you are pretty mixed up. See to it that you correct it. Thanks.
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I don't think you understand the argument. It's complicated stuff, so don't feel bad. It is sometimes too much for a layperson to follow.

    But we're talking here about philosophy of science, not about the merits of the arguments themselves. Whether or not something is a scientific theory has nothing to do with whether or not it is actually true. So, yes, you are pretty mixed up. See to it that you correct it. Thanks.
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    I think you assume I am a layperson
    You argue like you are, so I'll talk to you like one. Makes it easier on everybody. I shouldn't expect everybody here to have a technical education.
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You argue like you are, so I'll talk to you like one. Makes it easier on everybody. I shouldn't expect everybody here to have a technical education.
    I will keep that in mind next time I ponder my student loans or look at my degree, thank you.
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    I will keep that in mind next time I ponder my student loans or look at my degree, thank you.
    Money well spent, I trust. Let me give you a free piece of advice, read up on philosophy of science, and learn about it. It will do you a world of good.

    I find that people will often parrot back words they have learned like "theory" and "scientific method" without really understanding what they mean or how all its moving parts fit together. However, it is important to understand little nuances like this, and understand them well. Because, as we can see, if you don't understand them, you can find youself being squarely wrong about simple questions like "Is ID science?" Which is a very different question from "Is ID true?"

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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You argue like you are, so I'll talk to you like one. Makes it easier on everybody. I shouldn't expect everybody here to have a technical education.
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    I will keep that in mind next time I ponder my student loans or look at my degree, thank you.
    I got paid for mine. Well not undergrad, but graduate school. Not the worst living ever, teach a bunch or do outrageous amounts of research (preferably the latter).
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Evolution should be taught in science class, and generally is as part of an introductory survey course. Young students would certainly understand that teaching intelligent design in a science class was teaching opinion. I'm assuming we're not talking about grad school here.

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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, I think society should find better ways to handle the lone geniuses. In fact, they don't have to be "lone geniuses", not in this day and age.

    And people don't have to fit in with the 99% of society to actually be able to be in society. I have met plenty of people who really didn't fit in, in fact, I could kinda fall in that area myself.
    The one percent are in their own exclusive zone, and can only honestly relate with things in their own zone. Of course they can adapt to people with lesser intelligence just to get along, but sooner or later honesty will trip them up, and so-called friends out of their zone will gradually disappear.

    That's why they always show the wise guru sitting on a mountain top all alone.

    How many real friends do you think the idiot savant has, who can do figures in his head faster than a calculator?

    Myself, I only have two friends I can honestly relate with, definitely not my wife or children... How about you?

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