said something outrageous it is not going to be accepted by the scientific community as a whole. We review everything, we require measurements and proof. You were trying to state a reality which isn't real in order to advance some anti-science endeavor which is quiet frankly stupid. Science helps people every single day.
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Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
Well where do you think they want to be heard? It isn't in the scientific forum, they're not even trying to get into scientific peer-reviewed journals, they just want to brainwash impressionable students with their non-scientific nonsense.
Does it belong in school? Of course not, no more than the steady state theory does. School is for established science, not fringe science. But fringe science should still be treated as science and given a fair look.
Instead, all I see is closed mindedness towards ID coming from people who purport to represent the scientific method. If you genuinely support science you don't shoot down ideas before they've been tested.
They've been tested, at least as far as they're capable of being tested. They failed. They were discarded. If anyone manages to actually describe ID in a manner which can be genuinely tested, let us know. We won't hold our breath.Instead, all I see is closed mindedness towards ID coming from people who purport to represent the scientific method. If you genuinely support science you don't shoot down ideas before they've been tested.
Likewise, if proponents of Intelligent Design were going to support ID with science, they would have supported ID with science.
The reason I say it philosophical is that there's not likely to be any way to prove or disprove it, ever. I would argue the same is true of the big bang, but I think both should be discussed and used as a way to teach critical thinking and logic. I don't think either of these topics is particularly useful in a grade school science class.
Just look at friday through this thread and his goalpost moving, and his insistence on using qualifying words such as "complete" chain as a prime example of what I was referring to with the comment.
Last edited by marduc; 10-29-10 at 10:42 AM.
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