View Poll Results: Which should be taught in school science classes?

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  • Evolution

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  • Intelligent Design

    1 0.98%
  • Creationism

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  • Every theory in this area

    11 10.78%
  • Only these 3 or 2 of these three

    3 2.94%
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    4 3.92%
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Here is a quick quote from Thomas Nagel that might be enlightening:

    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Nagel
    Are the sources of genetic variation uniformly random or not? That is
    the central issue, and the point of entry for defenders of ID. In his recent
    book, The Edge of Evolution, Michael Behe examines a body of currently
    available evidence about the normal frequency and biochemical charac-
    ter of random mutations in the genetic material of several organisms: the
    malaria parasite, the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), the bacte-
    rium E. coli, and humans. He argues that those widely cited examples
    of evolutionary adaptation, including the development of immunity
    to antibiotics, when properly understood, cannot be extrapolated to
    explain the formation of complex new biological systems. These, he
    claims, would require mutations of a completely different order, muta-
    tions whose random probability, either as simultaneous multiple muta-
    tions or as sequences of separately adaptive individual mutations, is
    vanishingly small. He concludes that
    alterations to DNA over the course of the history of life on earth
    must have included many changes that we have no statistical right
    to expect, ones that were beneficial beyond the wildest reach
    of probability.5
    Like Kauffman, he believes that random mutation is not sufficient to
    explain the range of variation on which natural selection must have
    acted to yield the history of life: some of the variation was not due to
    chance. This seems on the face of it to be a scientific claim, about what
    the evidence suggests, and one that is not self-evidently absurd. I cannot
    evaluate it; I merely want to stress its importance for the current debate.
    Skepticism about the standard evolutionary model is not limited to
    defenders of ID. The skeptics may be right or they may be wrong. But
    even if one merely regards the randomness of the sources of variation as
    an open question, it seems to call for the consideration of alternatives.

    http://philosophy.fas.nyu.edu/docs/IO/1172/papa_132.pdf

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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's not how it works, but if it makes you feel better to pretend that it does; well then more power to ya.
    OK, I'm willing to learn.. You tell me how science theory works, and how it applies to existing scientific claims.

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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    What should be taught? Critical thinking and how to analyze data, plus some generally accepted scientific theories and techniques to discover new information in that specific scientific field.

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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    That's what I said. Why are you being so antagonistic when you are saying the exact same thing I am? Just because I want to give ID proponents a fair chance to be heard?
    They have every right to be heard, but not in science class until they can create a valid, testable theory.
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    What should be taught? Critical thinking and how to analyze data, plus some generally accepted scientific theories and techniques to discover new information in that specific scientific field.
    None of the above. You should only teach kids the same things the other 95 percent of the kids believe. The bright kids who need to know facts just don't fit in with the other kids.

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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    None of the above. You should only teach kids the same things the other 95 percent of the kids believe. The bright kids who need to know facts just don't fit in with the other kids.

    ricksfolly
    Am I missing sarcasm?

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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Actually, our approach is all wrong... It doesn't take children's behavior characteristics into consideration. If 90 percent of the kids believe in ID, it should be encouraged. Kids social lives are much more important that any hypothesis.
    The purpose of education is to teach facts, not fantasy. We should not teach kids that Santa Claus is real just because kids want to believe it's true. We should also not teach kids that God is real because they're being indocrtinated to believe it at home. Schools are about facts. You want fantasy? Find a church.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    That's what I said. Why are you being so antagonistic when you are saying the exact same thing I am? Just because I want to give ID proponents a fair chance to be heard?
    When it proves it should be heard, it will be. There's a reason that we don't teach flat earthism, geocentrism or the "demon theory" of disease. Beause none of them are credible or remotely true. The same goes for ID. When it proves otherwise, let us know.
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    They have every right to be heard, but not in science class until they can create a valid, testable theory.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    When it proves it should be heard, it will be. There's a reason that we don't teach flat earthism, geocentrism or the "demon theory" of disease. Beause none of them are credible or remotely true. The same goes for ID. When it proves otherwise, let us know.
    Seriously, I understand why conservatives think liberals are so dense. It's like you guys don't even read.

    I never said ID should be taught in schools, that is absurd.

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i kind of am an id proponent, but still don't think it should ever be taught in schools.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Agreed, it's highly theoretical at best.
    I'm not even a proponent of ID. Please try to read the entire thread from now on.

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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Seriously, I understand why conservatives think liberals are so dense. It's like you guys don't even read.

    I never said ID should be taught in schools, that is absurd.
    This is why liberals think Libertarians are so dense: they cannot explain what they are trying to say.
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