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  • Evolution

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  • Intelligent Design

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  • Creationism

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  • Every theory in this area

    11 10.78%
  • Only these 3 or 2 of these three

    3 2.94%
  • None of these

    4 3.92%
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No. The measurements indicating the Big Bang are measurements on the universe, it's relative movement, energy backgrounds, etc. All which indicate a Big Bang like event. Anything before the Big Bang is unknown.
    Ok, Ikari, then here is an interesting expirament: research the rate at which the moon's orbit is moving away from the earth and the sun is decreasing in size and tell me, according to the measurments of the universe that tell us how long ago the big bang happened, how long ago life could have survived on the earth.
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Ok, Ikari, then here is an interesting expirament: research the rate at which the moon's orbit is moving away from the earth and the sun is decreasing in size and tell me, according to the measurments of the universe that tell us how long ago the big bang happened, how long ago life could have survived on the earth.
    You can probably get estimates of the age of the moon (the receding moon and it's affects of the rotation speed of the earth is a cool exercise in conservation of angular momentum) and sun from such measurements. But measurements indicating the Big Bang are on a larger level such as the galatic red shift and the cosmic microwave background.
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    PB, that really is my point regarding ID. But, if a god does exist, then is it really scientific to ignore any impact that god might have on the origins and development of matter and life? Kinda sounds like acknowledging that milk exists but saying it has nothing to do with how ice cream is made.
    I don't believe that God adds anything to science or research. Presumely if you believe in God, then everything in the Universe is a creation of God, so why would we treat the origins of man any differently than any other science?


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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    The moon, when it is at it's closest orbit, is 360,000 km from the earth, or 36,000,000,000 cm. The moon moves away from the earth at a rate of 3.8 cm a year. 65 million years ago, when dinosaurs walked the earth, the moon would have been about 2,470 km from the earth, or about the distance from New York to LA.
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    The moon, when it is at it's closest orbit, is 360,000 km from the earth, or 36,000,000,000 cm. The moon moves away from the earth at a rate of 3.8 cm a year. 65 million years ago, when dinosaurs walked the earth, the moon would have been about 2,470 km from the earth, or about the distance from New York to LA.
    This assumes a steady progression.
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    AS always the arguement has gone from the initial point.

    Evolution - a scientific theory

    Creationism/intelligent design -religion

    You cant just turn something into science by giving it a different name.
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    The moon, when it is at it's closest orbit, is 360,000 km from the earth, or 36,000,000,000 cm. The moon moves away from the earth at a rate of 3.8 cm a year. 65 million years ago, when dinosaurs walked the earth, the moon would have been about 2,470 km from the earth, or about the distance from New York to LA.
    The moon could not have formed so far in, else it would have been ripped apart by gravity. Current simulations suggest is was about 3-5 times the radius of the Earth, or about 19-30 thousand km at the time of the moon creation.
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Evolution is science and doesn't rule out intelligent design.
    Again. A Federal Judge in Delaware ruled that Intelligent Design is fraudulent. Science doesn't admit that which is fraudulent. Science does not admit Intelligent Design. ID is a made up from whole cloth fraud. Watch the Frontline video I provided.

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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This assumes a steady progression.
    EXACTLY Redress, which is why so called measurements of the effects of the big bang (13 billion years ago), or of the depletion of carbon from 65 million years ago are ridiculous.
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    EXACTLY Redress, which is why so called measurements of the effects of the big bang (13 billion years ago), or of the depletion of carbon from 65 million years ago are ridiculous.
    That doesn't mean that there aren't galactic indicators of what is going on. Particularly when you discuss something as energetic as the Big Bang. The Big Bang currently fits the observations very well, which is why it is the accepted theory. Something as energetic as the creation of the universe would leave behind remnants to study, once you can understand those remnants and actually measure them you can begin to trace back to the origins. Measurements such as the Red Shift and Cosmic Microwave Background are both examples of measurements which point to a Big Bang.

    While it is hard to mimic the changes in moon recession, we do understand well the fundamental mechanism by which angular momentum is transferred from the Earth to the Moon in the Earth/Moon system. We also know why the forces would change over time given the changes on Earth itself. Just noting that we live in a dynamic universe isn't enough to discount the Big Bang or varying forms of radiological dating. Particularly as it relates to the radiation dating, there are many many different forms of such, not isolated to just carbon. All forms of dating agree with each other to within 1% to create a lower boundary on the age of the earth. This is also consistent with other forms of dating such as ice cores and other decay processes.
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