View Poll Results: Which should be taught in school science classes?

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  • Evolution

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  • Intelligent Design

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  • Creationism

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  • Every theory in this area

    11 10.78%
  • Only these 3 or 2 of these three

    3 2.94%
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Evolution on a microbiological level does not prove slime to human evolution. Darwin himself defeated the idea of evolution in his Origin of Species by saying that if his theory is correct, then the fossil record must contain thousands of completed chains of fully developed links between one species and the next. Not just one missing link or a handful of fossils that bear semblance to two species, Darwin said thousands of completed chains would be found in the fossil record. If Darwin doesn't convince you, I have an even better argument.
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Digsbe, my friend. This is absolutely not true. The evidence is there even on a microbiological level. To deny this makes that web site even less credible than I thought.
    I am denying the proof that evolution occurred. I specifically stated that it is plausible but unproven and certainly not the only level. I study microbiology. My degree is in molecular biology which mainly focuses on DNA and proteins. I am not saying that evolution is flat out false and implausible, but that I don't believe it and recognize the holes within it. Scientists are all presented with the same data, they interpret the data to mean different things. I interpret the data to believe in Biblical creationism.
    This is only a very small part of a huge picture. To deny the proof we do have is a fools folly.
    Again, I am not denying evidence for evolution. I just don't believe it is proven or a complete theory with no flaws or unproven problems.


    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    No we don't glean from the same data, lol. Scientists find that layers of rock towards the bottom have more simplistic forms of organisms and dates to be much older than the upper layer of rock and they draw the logical conclusions. Creationists then scream bias and the absurd idea that a gigantic flood created all of the fossils, of course layered from older strata to newer strata and with simpler organisms towards the bottom mean while saying that no dating system is accurate because none of it says 6000 years ago.
    Yes we do glean from the same data... There isn't a creationist rock and an evolutionary rock. Creationists scream bias because we are treated with extreme disrespect and unfairly. Not only that, but the militant partisanship of defending evolution hints at it too.
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I am denying the proof that evolution occurred. I specifically stated that it is plausible but unproven and certainly not the only level. I study microbiology. My degree is in molecular biology which mainly focuses on DNA and proteins. I am not saying that evolution is flat out false and implausible, but that I don't believe it and recognize the holes within it. Scientists are all presented with the same data, they interpret the data to mean different things. I interpret the data to believe in Biblical creationism.
    OK I see.

    Your interpretation is your own, but I see it as wrong.


    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Again, I am not denying evidence for evolution. I just don't believe it is proven or a complete theory with no flaws or unproven problems.
    No one is saying it is, but this does not make creationism "science" it's not. The metaphysical cannot so far be measured or tested by the physical. Since it connot be observed or tested in any way, it is not science, period.
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Did you read any of the links? Evolution has plausibility but no proof. There is no proof that any organism arose from any ancestor. There is no genome with a specific mutation(s) that gave rise to a new trait. You can claim my evidence is biased, but did you read any of their points? Here is a list of young age evidence ‘Young’ age of the Earth & Universe Q&A
    This is specifically a site dedicated to trying to disprove evolution in order to prove a young earth theory. This is not how true science works. You have to do your own research and prove that your theory has more evidence to back it up.

    Plus, I have seen evidence with my own eyes that there were several different periods of flooding, at least in Wyoming but most likely throughout that whole part of the US. They have fossils that you can see and actually do research on on your own. This area didn't just see one major flood, but several occurring about every 5000 years or so. And, they have fossils of both fresh water and salt water fish and other aquatic life within different levels of the sediment. This is believed to be caused by eras of the area being covered by a salt water lake, which then dries up for a time period, then the area floods again in fresh water, which dries up for a time and the cycle continues.

    Fossil Butte National Monument (U.S. National Park Service)

    I have been to this place when my mother lived in Kemmerer, WY. It's pretty cool.

    You need scientific evidence that position can contend with evolution, not that evolution has too many holes which means what you believe is most likely correct.
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Intelligent Design is a fraud and was kicked out of Dover, Del. schools. You would think Christine O'Donnell would KNOW that, but ....

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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by RosieS View Post
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    So, Rosie, you don't believe in a god? You think that in the perfect vaccuum of nothingness the entire universe just appeared out of nowhere and then organized itself perfectly into the complex structures we see today without any sort of direction? Interesting. I'm afraid I don't have that much faith.
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    So, Rosie, you don't believe in a god? You think that in the perfect vaccuum of nothingness the entire universe just appeared out of nowhere and then organized itself perfectly into the complex structures we see today without any sort of direction? Interesting. I'm afraid I don't have that much faith.
    Hey, I'm not a Federal Judge. I don't even live in Delaware. But a Federal Judge threw ID out of Delaware, calling it fraudulent. Watch the video...it shows the whole program about the trial in Federal Court.

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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Evolution is science and doesn't rule out intelligent design.


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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Evolution on a microbiological level does not prove slime to human evolution. Darwin himself defeated the idea of evolution in his Origin of Species by saying that if his theory is correct, then the fossil record must contain thousands of completed chains of fully developed links between one species and the next. Not just one missing link or a handful of fossils that bear semblance to two species, Darwin said thousands of completed chains would be found in the fossil record. If Darwin doesn't convince you, I have an even better argument.
    On a side note. I never said microbiology "proved" anything. I said it does provide good evidence, which it has on a genetic level.
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    Re: Which should be taught in school science classes?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    So, Rosie, you don't believe in a god? You think that in the perfect vaccuum of nothingness the entire universe just appeared out of nowhere and then organized itself perfectly into the complex structures we see today without any sort of direction? Interesting. I'm afraid I don't have that much faith.
    You can believe in God and still realize that ID is fraudulent. It was specifically and deliberately created to get creationism taught in a science class, by restating creationism in pseudoscientific language.

    It's entirely possible that ID is accurate, but there is currently no scientific evidence to back that up. Anyone who claims otherwise is perpetrating a fraud.
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