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    Re: Women of DP - I ask you

    It depends. I don't expect to be hit back whilst in the role of dominatrix.

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    Re: Women of DP - I ask you

    Quote Originally Posted by Dulcinea View Post
    It depends. I don't expect to be hit back whilst in the role of dominatrix.
    A naughty boy should understand his place.

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    Re: Women of DP - I ask you

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It's not a hypothetical. If a woman hits a man, she's opened the door to physical aggression, and may well get her ass kicked. Thems the risks.
    Let me ask you about another scenario then. Say that a 90 year old man slaps you weakly across the face. Are you justified in giving him a full force punch to the head? If not, where do you draw the line? Doesn't a party with a greater capability of employing force have a greater responsibility to restrain themselves? Isn't that more often than not the situation between men and women?

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    Re: Women of DP - I ask you

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Let me ask you about another scenario then. Say that a 90 year old man slaps you weakly across the face. Are you justified in giving him a full force punch to the head? If not, where do you draw the line? Doesn't a party with a greater capability of employing force have a greater responsibility to restrain themselves? Isn't that more often than not the situation between men and women?
    If you hit me, I'm hitting you back as hard as I can, even if you're 90 (Or, if you're 90, you're going in restraints). Why do you feel that age/gender, etc. entitles someone to dish out physical aggression and not receive it in return?

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    Re: Women of DP - I ask you

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    If you hit me, I'm hitting you back as hard as I can, even if you're 90 (Or, if you're 90, you're going in restraints). Why do you feel that age/gender, etc. entitles someone to dish out physical aggression and not receive it in return?
    I dunno about entitling anybody to do anything. Hitting somebody without provocation, no matter who you are, is not ok. If you want to call the cops on the 90 year old man, by all means, have at it.

    But just because something is not ok doesn't mean all of a sudden it's no-holds-barred time. Violence should only be responded to, at most, with a proportionate response. Take that example of the 90 year old man. He slapped you. It probably didn't even hurt, it certainly didn't pose any risk to your safety. So, a proportional response would be something that wouldn't even hurt him or pose any risk to his safety. Punching a 90 year old man full force in the head is a massive escalation. It could very possibly even kill him. So, that's not at all proportional, that's a massive and unjustified escalation. You'd be responding to a minor threat with massive retaliation.

    Now, if instead of a 90 year old man it were Mike Tyson, if he slaps you that may very well kill you. In that case, a proportional response may well be hitting him as hard as you can with a baseball bat. He is capable of taking far harder punches than any normal person can deliver without breaking stride and his slaps are massively more dangerous than the slap from a normal person, so you could argue that you were justified in any response that created roughly the same risk to him that he created when he slapped you.

    See what I mean?

    That's actually the law too by the way. A disproportionate response in terms of the specific parties and their relative physical abilities is not protected under self defense or any other legal doctrine. They take into account how serious the threat the other person poses to you is and how likely your response would be to damage that particular person and see how it weighs out. If a 90 year old man punches you and you punch him back as hard as you can you would be guilty of assault and battery even though he started it, but if you respond to Mike Tyson punching you by hitting him with a baseball bat to the head you would likely not be guilty of assault and battery.
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    Re: Women of DP - I ask you

    I hate pacifistic turds who stretch the bounds of imagination to demonize any and all uses of physical force.
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    Re: Women of DP - I ask you

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil
    I dunno about entitling anybody to do anything. Hitting somebody without provocation, no matter who you are, is not ok. If you want to call the cops on the 90 year old man, by all means, have at it.
    This was also addressed by me earlier. Who's the real sexist - the man who hits a woman initiating aggression upon him, or someone who likens a woman to a 90 year old in categories of strength, threat, and danger?

    Your views on women are more condescending than mine could ever be.

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    Cool Re: Women of DP - I ask you

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    A naughty boy should understand his place.
    Absolutely.

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    Re: Women of DP - I ask you

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    This was also addressed by me earlier. Who's the real sexist - the man who hits a woman initiating aggression upon him, or someone who likens a woman to a 90 year old in categories of strength, threat, and danger?

    Your views on women are more condescending than mine could ever be.
    No, no. You're totally misunderstanding my argument. I'm saying that there is a spectrum for physical durability and capability to project force that you need to take into account. At one extreme is the 90 year old man or the 4 month old baby or something. At the other end is Mike Tyson. You need to take account of where somebody falls on that spectrum. No doubt there are some women that are actually not that far from Mike Tyson. The point with the bit about the 90 year old is to ask whether somebody is completely disregarding that whole variable no matter how extreme the imbalance or if they are just disregarding it when the imbalance is smaller.

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    Re: Women of DP - I ask you

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I hate pacifistic turds who stretch the bounds of imagination to demonize any and all uses of physical force.
    Hey, yeah! If you can't even beat on women these days what has this country come to! Luckily there are still countries out there for Real Americans like you. Iran for example.

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