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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Ever see that great Wizard of Id Cartoon (can't find it right now) where the wizard is asked what happens when more stupid than smart people vote

    Then the democrats win was the response from the wizard.

    I believe that those who pay more taxes ought to have more say but ignorance is a tough call-I know some very well educated people who vote for the most idiotic reasons
    Then we should at least make sure that the voters know the issues a given politician stands for, by way of test. I just don't see how our country can become better if everyone can vote.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Hell no! My home country, (not New Zealand) had the draft for guys, and I had to pretend I had mental problems to get away from the draft. I'm sure it could be nice to get some military training, but the social environment in the military, at least in my country is not nice. I would have been miserable. Also most of the training is up north where it's really cold and dark in the winter. And I would lose one year of university.

    It will never be fair, because it's not fair that someone who has bad sight will get away from the military while someone who doesn't have to spend one year up north. And I believe the environment will be much better if the soldiers actually want to be there.

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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Would you support a mandatory service when a person turns 21 or 18?
    Would I support a mandatory military service? Absolutely not.

    Would I support a mandatory military or civil service? Absolutely.

    I don't think military service is the only way a person can serve their country. I also don't think everybody is cut out for military service. And I would bet that those who would agree with that the most are those who have volunteered for it.

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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Would you support making military service of some kind (or something related to government service) a prerequisite for voting?

    I've thought about it. It has a certain appeal.

    Sometimes I think that franchise should not be a birthright. People take it too lightly. If you had to EARN it somehow, pay in blood or sweat, you'd treasure it and likely treat it better.

    But honestly I don't know. There are a lot of ramifications to that. It seems to be a substantial departure from the American philosophy of government, that all those who are governed should have a say in the formation of the government.

    You can put me down as "intrested but with serious reservations" on that idea.

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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Darn you Mega! I wanted to vote "no", but you knew I could not resist voting "Rootebega"!!

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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Would I support a mandatory military service? Absolutely not.

    Would I support a mandatory military or civil service? Absolutely.

    I don't think military service is the only way a person can serve their country. I also don't think everybody is cut out for military service. And I would bet that those who would agree with that the most are those who have volunteered for it.
    Thank you, I was trying to think of the term civil service.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I've thought about it. It has a certain appeal.

    Sometimes I think that franchise should not be a birthright. People take it too lightly. If you had to EARN it somehow, pay in blood or sweat, you'd treasure it and likely treat it better.

    But honestly I don't know. There are a lot of ramifications to that. It seems to be a substantial departure from the American philosophy of government, that all those who are governed should have a say in the formation of the government.

    You can put me down as "intrested but with serious reservations" on that idea.
    Yeah, its a huge change from traditions, but honestly, look at where things are going, and why they're going that way. The American people are becoming less and less interested in politics, and they are (from what I can tell) becoming more and more stupid. And as with all future generations, when you have something from the time you were born, you start to take it for granted. As you said, we should make it something you have to earn to use. Its like with children, if you give them the world on a platter, they become used to it.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Yeah, its a huge change from traditions, but honestly, look at where things are going, and why they're going that way. The American people are becoming less and less interested in politics, and they are (from what I can tell) becoming more and more stupid. And as with all future generations, when you have something from the time you were born, you start to take it for granted. As you said, we should make it something you have to earn to use. Its like with children, if you give them the world on a platter, they become used to it.
    Dude, are you ****ing kidding me? With the rise of the internet, there hasn't been this amount of spreading of political thought since the printing press became widely available and allowed pamphlets to be spread like wildfire. Do you know when that was? Just before the American Revolution.

    People are more involved and interested in politics now than ever before. So much so that, if you ask me, people are starting to think that too many things are a political issue. Everybody thinks that by getting their party elected they can sign pieces of paper that will change human behavior and natural laws. Everything is politicized now. But the truth of it is that people are people, not issues. If you ask me, the polarization and punditry for profit of politics is dehumanizing us.

    I could only wish people were less involved in politics. Then people wouldn't make a political issue out of everything.

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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Dude, are you ****ing kidding me? With the rise of the internet, there hasn't been this amount of spreading of political thought since the printing press became widely available and allowed pamphlets to be spread like wildfire. Do you know when that was? Just before the American Revolution.

    People are more involved and interested in politics now than ever before. So much so that, if you ask me, people are starting to think that too many things are a political issue. Everybody thinks that by getting their party elected they can sign pieces of paper that will change human behavior and natural laws. Everything is politicized now. But the truth of it is that people are people, not issues. If you ask me, the polarization and punditry for profit of politics is dehumanizing us.

    I could only wish people were less involved in politics. Then people wouldn't make a political issue out of everything.
    Gosh I feel stupid now, I didn't realize the statistics in voter turnout.

    Let me put it this way, the wrong people (the people who don't know crap about the issues) are voting. Civil service, or military service should be requirements to vote. Like a poll tax that anyone can pay for when they turn 18. The only think required is will, and motivation.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    If everyone has to do an equal term of involuntary servitude then everyone should pay an equal amount of taxes. If you expect some to pay more than others, than those who don't pay as much ought to give more in terms of service.

    after all, righ now more than a third of my time in my office is servitude for the government. yet many do almost no work that is taken in taxes for the state



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