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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Military, Peace corp, or AmeriCorp pick one for two years it does the body good.

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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    CP, thank you for your service. I can't disagree, really. After 9/11, enlistment %'s were so far up that there was some concern, if I remember correctly, that young men were making rash decisions to enlist for the "wrong reasons."
    as i recall, though, enlistment numbers didn't jump that much. the services expanded somewhat, but Not My Son-ism is strong in our culture today.

    I also completely believe you when you say you wish you were in Afghanistan so you could help. I know that there's a real and beautiful, if you will, camaraderie that happens with our troops.
    that is absolutely true; a camraderie that i fear would be degraded in a draft military. the Marines in particular take great pride in being volunteers; it's part of our culture that we all want to be here, to be Marines.

    Not victims. I just think that an awful lot of our military never expected to be involved in the kind of war we're fighting. Or any war.
    we've been at war almost a decade now. there is not a single individual in the military who did not enlist or reenlist (or pick up a commission) in wartime; if they never expected to be in a war then they probably wouldn't pass the ASVAB.

    and the kind of war we are fighting now is actually the norm. it's the big kinetic linear formations of massed troops crashing into each other that are the historical comparitive rarity.

    I can't argue with you on history. You're right. It hasn't been fair -- no more evident than in the Viet Nam war. But the draft I envision would be a fair one - for men and women alike.
    while we're at it let's envision a world in which politicians are honest and bureaucracies efficient. the rich and educated will always avoid the draft for the same reason that the upper middle class will take greater advantage of government benefits; because they have the ability to.

    As to your last sentence, there is no one willing to kill their own children for victory.
    i would be willing to send my sons to war, if necessary to die, in order to achieve victory in the War on Terror. All men die; some get to die for something. but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't minimize casualties, which leads me to my next point...

    I see a draft's benefits as being far beyond making war.
    but making war is what the military does. and a draft military does it less efficiently than a volunteer one does. and the result of loss of combat efficiency is dead people.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    There's a fairness about a draft. And a certain benefit that our armed forces perform for us when they turn boys into men, combat aside.
    Hilarious, especially coming from a female.

    There is nothing fair about a draft. Nothing. That's not freedom. If a draft were to be implemented, you better effing believe women would be drafted, too. You girls love to bray about equality and all.

    Title 9 is a disgrace.

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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I've always liked the idea of doing a minimum amount of military service to vote and/or hold political office
    ever read Starship Troopers?


    so much better than that embarrasment of a movie.

    I do agree with having some military type training in high school, including gun safety and self defense classes.
    imo, we need to have gun operaters liscence the same as drivers liscences, with similar training programs.

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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidgaf View Post
    Military, Peace corp, or AmeriCorp pick one for two years it does the body good.
    Freedom hater. And I mean that.

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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by Model T Spruce View Post
    Hilarious, especially coming from a female.

    There is nothing fair about a draft. Nothing. That's not freedom. If a draft were to be implemented, you better effing believe women would be drafted, too. You girls love to bray about equality and all.

    Title 9 is a disgrace.
    Maggie didn't say anything about excluding women from a draft. How about you ask her about with she thinks about that before you shove words down her throat?
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by Model T Spruce View Post
    Hilarious, especially coming from a female.

    There is nothing fair about a draft. Nothing. That's not freedom. If a draft were to be implemented, you better effing believe women would be drafted, too. You girls love to bray about equality and all.

    Title 9 is a disgrace.
    Glad I could entertain you, Spruce. If everyone had to serve, it would be fair. Since it's never been fair, let's not even consider it could be. Bray about equality? You're giving away your age.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No, I shouldn't be forced to fight for my country, unless I feel it is worth fighting for.
    WHile I haven't been in the army, from what I understand, comradery is what compels soldiers to fight. While there are a fair amount of patriots, this bond holds units together. So, theoretically, you just need to develop these bonds.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by Model T Spruce View Post
    Freedom hater. And I mean that.
    If you have something of substance to contribute, then you should talk about it. Stop baiting for no reason.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Besides, this country is in the crapper anyway. Not sure why I'd want to fight for it. So more dumbasses could vote for more dumbasses like Pelosi and Obama to steal our money?

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