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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ned Racine View Post
    Young Men from various locations and Social strata are not in close confines anymore- don't have to work together and get along.

    The cohesion that did come out of this experiance has been diminished.

    the problem is not that they are not...just that NOT ENOUGH of them are. compulsory service would force everyone into the system.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    meh, they have so stressed the Reserves and NG that they are critically short of Officers. I saw a Captain who had been pulled out of retirement and deployed CONUS to a medical retention center to be a company commander. The dude was 62 years old.

    A draft isn't going to help that. The officer problem is that they get all these guys/girls coming in as 2LTs and then they deploy and abuse the hell out of them and then most of them get out when their 4-5 years is up and you are left with very few Captains.

    This is good for promotion but bad overall. In my state, the last Major board that met had 40 slots to fill and only 11 guys who were eligible to be promoted.
    Had no idea it was getting that bad. They need to do something to shore that up. A shortage of officers will hurt the military in the long run obviously as it already is.

    You are right, a draft would not help that at all.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    the problem is not that they are not...just that NOT ENOUGH of them are. compulsory service would force everyone into the system.


    It would force a lot more - but not all.

    Let me make one point clear. I favor a Draft , but do not favor prosecuting those who won't comply. If some opt out We can handle it - but in the future They will be "Outside of a lot of things" - They'll have the Right To Vote & Social Security - but that's about it. No Va, No Small Business or Farm Aid, No student Aid of ANY kind. More important No Government Employment at ANY level including State and local . If a region puts people on who didn't serve or who were not exempted legally - they lose the Federal bucks.

    Now even that isn't totally Fair. Some WILL find the loopholes , but We will get a better pool of Younger Men in uniform . We really need only say a 60% compliance to get the necessary bodies.

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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Discipline AND more importantly a sense of responsibility.
    good point. then we could give them all a sense of humility by having them work for the IRS.

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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Would you support a mandatory service when a person turns 21 or 18?
    I have mixed feelings about this. I do think that if military service became mandatory it should be to a combat MOS in a active duty unit as an enlisted solider or marine first. Because the fact there would be lots of people who do not want to be in the miltiary we do not want these people in leadership or officer positions, so let them serve time as enlisted first before they can become an officer. POG(acronym for persons other than grunt, civilians in soldiers clothing, non-infantry) jobs and national guard and reserve should for those who already did their mandatory time so that we do not have anti-war trash, rich boys and celebs weaseling out of military service by doing fake military service or military service equivalent to civilian jobs.

    That said I think mandatory military service would be a bad thing. It would mean that the US government does not have to entice people to join. Which means no sign on bonuses, no health care, decent pay(its already what one would not consider decent pay) and other benefits.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I could possibly support mandatory military training (like a 6 week training thing) and then going home. I don't support mandatory service though.
    I answered "yes", but this is closer to my position. If you're an adult and fit to hold a rifle, you're part of the militia and you should be trained accordingly.

    Personally, I think such training should occur in the welfare schools, with programs to offer it to private- and home-schooled children.


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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ned Racine View Post
    It would force a lot more - but not all.

    - They'll have the Right To Vote & Social Security

    I think if you are physically able and refuse to serve, you shouldn't have the right to vote. voting should be a priviledge that is earned, not a right bestowed. maybe then people would actually put some real effort into learning about politics instead of just voting along party lines.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Would you support a mandatory service when a person turns 21 or 18?
    No, I shouldn't be forced to fight for my country, unless I feel it is worth fighting for.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    I've always liked the idea of doing a minimum amount of military service to vote and/or hold political office. I would include a civil service exception for people, especially those who legitimately cannot do military service but it would take more time in civil service work than if they joined the military. Although I'm not sure what exactly I would include as part of civil service, it would have to be something that actually benefits society such as teaching/tutoring, health care, law enforcement, fire fighting, or massive hours of specific volunteer time. I would say military time of about 2 years (civil service time of around 3-4 years) would be enough. There would have to be some way to ensure that everyone didn't just join the Navy, AF, or CG, but I would guess the best way is to base entry more into those particular branches more on aptitude tests than personal preference.

    I do agree with having some military type training in high school, including gun safety and self defense classes.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    good point. then we could give them all a sense of humility by having them work for the IRS.
    That would give them a sense of entitlement!
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