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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by librep View Post
    I would classify enacting a mandatory period of service to the state as aggressively authoritarian in nature. Perhaps a mandatory number of weeks of private, non-profit volunteer work would be better?
    how would forcing people to do volunteer work be better than paying them to do a job?
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    how would forcing people to do volunteer work be better than paying them to do a job?
    To pay every single person who turns 18/21 would probably cost a great deal of money that we don't have.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by librep View Post
    To pay every single person who turns 18/21 would probably cost a great deal of money that we don't have.
    that's not the point in the context of your post. you said mandatory service to the state was agressively authoritarian. how is forcing people to do volunteer work any less authoritarian?
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    but no way would I have gotten into a fox hole or trusted the cover from someone who didn't agree or volunteer to serve.
    As I already said... very few [rational people] want to be in a "foxhole" or bunker with an enemy attack taking place. However, I can tell you that when survival mode kicks in, most all soldiers fight back. Yep their are some who are shocked and breakdown and are useless but don't think that has anything to do with volunteer vs draft. Nobody knows how they will respond until faced with the horror of it.

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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    that's not the point in the context of your post. you said mandatory service to the state was agressively authoritarian. how is forcing people to do volunteer work any less authoritarian?
    Well, for starter's the original context of my post was in regards to the title of the thread: which is "mandatory military service" - in which being mandated to service the state's interests is authoritarian. Therefore, my alternative would be the less draconian private, non-profit model that also happens to be deficit neutral. It's entirely possible that I worded my post poorly.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    We live in a society were mommy boys and daddy girls get the **** spoiled out of them and freak out if they get dirt on their $100 Abercrombies. Oh yeah mandatory military service. Let's see how that works out for our society now.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Two years of public service would be fine but limit it to military service, because there are other places where the help could be well used.

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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    people who don't know jack **** about the military really shouldn't talk about the military. it makes them look ignorant
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    What does this mean, and how did you arrive at this conclusion.
    Oh didn't I mention? My father was a veteran of WWII and Korea and ended his 22 year career as a drill sergant.

    Of course that doesn't mean he quit being a drill SGT.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Who said I was referring to you in particular? Defensive are we?
    You said opponents of the draft posting in this thread. That includes us three. If you are going to use a general "you" be clearer to avoid confusion.

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    Are you also saying that it is a form of slavery? If not, then I'm not really taling about your views. You're certainly entitled to your own opinions regarding morality, but when one places a label such as "slavery" on a certain institution, I must bring into question whether or not said institution actually fits the legal description of slavery.
    It's forced servitude, that simple.
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