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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Do you actually think that a volunteer army wants to be in the heat of battle? The best they can say is, "Well, I asked for it." And, in fact, most of them didn't ask for it. IMO volunteer forces enlist for very practical reasons. The very least of which is to lay down cover fire for you.

    There's a fairness about a draft. And a certain benefit that our armed forces perform for us when they turn boys into men, combat aside.


    I've been there, and no no one wants to "be there" but they know, we all knew, this was something we had to do, and in a sense wanted to be there in a way. Unlike if we drafted some fat kid and forced him to be there.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you want them to get military discipline.... from the peace corps.
    Discipline AND more importantly a sense of responsibility.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I've been there, and no no one wants to "be there" but they know, we all knew, this was something we had to do, and in a sense wanted to be there in a way. Unlike if we drafted some fat kid and forced him to be there.
    Ummmm... Rev, the military has standards. If someone cannot pass, they cannot pass.

    No one would expect them to take anyone who could not pass the basic entrance tests etc.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    firstly, I'm betting the good reverend knows several who do; i do. secondly, to an extent, yes. i wish i was in afghanistan right now, i could help.
    CP, thank you for your service. I can't disagree, really. After 9/11, enlistment %'s were so far up that there was some concern, if I remember correctly, that young men were making rash decisions to enlist for the "wrong reasons." I also completely believe you when you say you wish you were in Afghanistan so you could help. I know that there's a real and beautiful, if you will, camaraderie that happens with our troops.

    i'm thinking you are picturing our military members more as victims than they are. yes, you signed the contract you agreed to go, but there are parts of being deployed that are better than being CONUS side.
    Not victims. I just think that an awful lot of our military never expected to be involved in the kind of war we're fighting. Or any war.

    The draft has never been fair; the rich and connected who seek to avoid military service are always able to do so. working with a volunteer military service allows everyone the ability to avoid joining. the draft is also (let us admit) slavery. necessary perhaps for those scenarios where the nation itself is threatened; but not under any threat less than that. if you're not willing to kill your own children for victory, then it's not worth a draft.
    I can't argue with you on history. You're right. It hasn't been fair -- no more evident than in the Viet Nam war. But the draft I envision would be a fair one - for men and women alike. As to your last sentence, there is no one willing to kill their own children for victory. I see a draft's benefits as being far beyond making war.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    There's a fairness about a draft.
    yeah, they fairly draft all the poor kids and all the rich spoiled brats (ie the ones who could really use some military discipline) go to college or Canada

    And a certain benefit that our armed forces perform for us when they turn boys into men
    I do agree that most young people could benefit from the discipline that military training provides. Compulsory military training followed by service of their choice be it military, social, peace corp, etc.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Ummmm... Rev, the military has standards. If someone cannot pass, they cannot pass.

    No one would expect them to take anyone who could not pass the basic entrance tests etc.
    dude, on my last deployment I saw a Major that they pulled back out of the Inactive Ready Reserve (IRR) who weighed over 300 pounds. Bastard was so fat that his ass took up two chairs in the DFAC. And they gave him 6 weeks refresher training and sent his fat ass to Iraq.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    dude, on my last deployment I saw a Major that they pulled back out of the Inactive Ready Reserve (IRR) who weighed over 300 pounds. Bastard was so fat that his ass took up two chairs in the DFAC. And they gave him 6 weeks refresher training and sent his fat ass to Iraq.
    If they were drafting people, would have not been a need.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Just as a side thought here : I've had the suspicion now for over 20 years that one of the factors aiding in this Great Social & Political Polarization in the land (you know Red State/Blue State) IS that there no longer is conscription. Young Men from various locations and Social strata are not in close confines anymore- don't have to work together and get along.

    The cohesion that did come out of this experiance has been diminished.

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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    OMG! Catz, myself and Ned agree on something. I think hell is experiencing snow.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    If they were drafting people, would have not been a need.
    meh, they have so stressed the Reserves and NG that they are critically short of Officers. I saw a Captain who had been pulled out of retirement and deployed CONUS to a medical retention center to be a company commander. The dude was 62 years old.

    A draft isn't going to help that. The officer problem is that they get all these guys/girls coming in as 2LTs and then they deploy and abuse the hell out of them and then most of them get out when their 4-5 years is up and you are left with very few Captains.

    This is good for promotion but bad overall. In my state, the last Major board that met had 40 slots to fill and only 11 guys who were eligible to be promoted.
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