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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Civics should be continually taught in the current most effective teaching format, the Reality Show....
    I'd like to teach it, bro. People would learn it thoroughly. You can be my teaching assistant, however.

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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    It varies from branch to branch and unit to unit. My particular unit, when activated in 1991 to serve a 1-year tour in Saudi, were a bit "rough" at first but ended up getting commendation medals for meritorious service. I think the training experience, in and of itself would be good for most.



    I've seen some put together reserve units, I've also seen many many of them down right scary. These folks "want to be there". if it was mandatory I don't see it being any better than the worse we have now. no thanks.


    I was in saudi, kuwait, southern Iraq back in 91.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I've seen some put together reserve units, I've also seen many many of them down right scary. These folks "want to be there". if it was mandatory I don't see it being any better than the worse we have now. no thanks.


    I was in saudi, kuwait, southern Iraq back in 91.
    Well I'll be damned! What was your AFSC and where in Saudi were you? I was about 8 months in Khafji at a Air Evac Center and 3 months out in the desert near Rafhah attached to the 101st Air Assault. I was a 91Bravo - Combat Medic.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Well I'll be damned! What was your AFSC and where in Saudi were you? I was about 8 months in Khafji at a Air Evac Center and 3 months out in the desert near Rafhah attached to the 101st Air Assault. I was a 91Bravo - Combat Medic.

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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That could be argued. However, generals work for the overall population. If anyone's kid can get drafted, there's going to be a huge public backlash against undue troop losses (i.e., the 1970s).
    Maybe now, but at the end of WWI, Gen. Pershing should have been charged with murder, of his own troops. With the armistice signing only hours away, and MOST troops standing down, Pershing ordered attacks against German lines. A few senior officers ignored his orders, not willing to sacrifice their men for nothing. There was a history channel show going around about it. Congress wanted to nail him for it, but it was deemed to be too controversial at the time, so it was swept under the rug.
    Besides, Pershing tried to lay the blame of Foch...
    google "pershing, armistice day". The first 2 sites are enough. The second refers to a book on the situation.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    1c451, Al Kharj/prince sultan.
    Yep. Good times man. I think back to how bad I thought things were for us during Desert Storm while I was there, then I look at the mess our troops have been mixed up in for the last 7 years and I'm thinkin', hell I had it made on my tour. My little bro just finished his third tour in the MidEast in the past 5 years (2 in Iraq, last one in the Stan)
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Yep. Good times man. I think back to how bad I thought things were for us during Desert Storm while I was there, then I look at the mess our troops have been mixed up in for the last 7 years and I'm thinkin', hell I had it made on my tour. My little bro just finished his third tour in the MidEast in the past 5 years (2 in Iraq, last one in the Stan)



    That can't be fun. I hung out in the AF for till 1998, got bored, then signed up with a contractor, well before it was cool. I don't envy the boys today.
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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Actually, your country is a constitutional republic. Requiring the citizens to serve that republic, in some form (Americorps/Peace Corps/Military Corps) is not at all antithetical to a republic. There are numerous examples of constitutional republics with mandatory public service for young adults. Israel is but one example.
    This does not answer the contention that forced labor is slavery.

    Furthermore, freedom isn't free. It comes at a cost. Your insistence that other people should pay that cost, lest you break a fingernail, is pretty repugnant.
    Freedom requires slavery? Sounds odd, huh?

    Civics 101 should be required for all Americans, as well.
    That's quote is about a right of rebellion, not about a right to a draft!

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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Then by your definition of slavery, the Compulsory School Attendance law is also slavery, right?
    Are children fully independent individuals? No. That said, I do have great qualms about children being forced to go to school. But the situation is a little different because this is about children and not adults.

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    Re: Mandatory military service?

    It appears that America has already had its one and only "greatest generation" and most of us who now enjoy the freedom and opportunities that they provided for us don't want to acknowledge their sacrifice, or be deserving of it.
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