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    Re: Should the wiki-leaker be excuted for treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Give him the same punishment that I. "Scooter" Libby got.
    I believe you must mean Richard Armitage.
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    Re: Should the wiki-leaker be excuted for treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Hmm you do know that first the wiki-leaker is Australian and hence cant be charged for treason in the US.

    Now the US citizen that gave him the material could be, but guessing that he is white and in the military, then that wont happen. Funny how all the anger has been thrown the Australian but not a peep on the US solider that gave him the information.
    Only non-white Americans are charged with treason, eh?

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    Re: Should the wiki-leaker be excuted for treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    How so? I'm pretty sure it's treason.
    Treason was specifically defined in the United States Constitution, the only crime so defined. Article III Section 3 delineates treason as follows:

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

    However, Congress has, at times, passed statutes creating related offenses that undermine the government or the national security, such as sedition in the 1798 Alien and Sedition Acts, or espionage and sedition in the 1917 Espionage Act, which do not require the testimony of two witnesses and have a much broader definition than Article Three treason. For example, some well-known spies have been convicted of espionage rather than treason.”
    To rise to the level of treason, one must look to the definition as stated in our Constitution. The bolded part above makes it very difficult for a conviction. Two witnesses or a confession.

    List of people convicted of treason in the United States of America:

    Philip Vigol and John Mitchell, convicted of treason and sentenced to hanging; pardoned by George Washington; see Whiskey Rebellion.
    Governor Thomas Dorr 1844, convicted of treason against the state of Rhode Island; see Dorr Rebellion; released in 1845; civil rights restored in 1851; verdict annulled in 1854. John Brown, convicted of treason against the Commonwealth of Virginia in 1859 and executed for attempting to organize armed resistance to slavery.
    Aaron Dwight Stevens, took part in John Brown's raid and was executed for treason against Virginia.
    William Bruce Mumford 1862 convicted of treason and hanged for tearing down a United States flag during the American Civil War.
    Mary Surratt, Lewis Powell, David Herold, and George Atzerodt in 1865 hanged for treason and conspiracy for the Lincoln assassination and conspiracy - by military tribunal.
    Iva Toguri D'Aquino, who is frequently identified with "Tokyo Rose" convicted 1949. Subsequently pardoned by President Gerald Ford.
    Herbert Hans Haupt German-born naturalized U.S. citizen, in 1942 was convicted of treason and executed for giving aid and comfort to the enemy (his son) and for espionage.
    Martin James Monti, United States Army Air Force pilot, convicted of treason for defecting to the Waffen SS in 1944l; sentenced to 25 years.
    Robert Henry Best, convicted of treason on April 16, 1948 and served a life sentence.
    Mildred Gillars, "Axis Sally," convicted of treason on March 8, 1949, served 12 years of a 10- to 30-year prison sentence.
    Tomoya Kawakita, sentenced to death for treason in 1952, but eventually released by President John F. Kennedy to be deported to Japan.

    List of people convicted of treason - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Only seven people have been executed for treason against the United States. All tolled, only fourteen were ever charged with treason. The bar is waaaay high. Espionage, not so much.
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    Re: Should the wiki-leaker be excuted for treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    This thread has been illuminating for the lack of reading comprehension.

    I think the OP was pretty clear (but I guess folks read the headline only), and then clarified a few posts down... THIS IS ABOUT THE MILITARY DWEEB THAT LEAKED TO WIKI-LEAKS... not the scum from Australia trying to hide in Sweden.

    Phew.



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    He's not merely a spy... he swore to defend and protect this country and instead sold us out and jeopardized our security. That's betrayal, which is treason.

    I think he should be made an example of and executed. If not now... when?

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    Incorrect on the bolded part. He swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic, while bearing true faith to the same.

    "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

    "I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)


    Since this isn't a declared war, he is fulfilling his obligation to support and defend the Constitution by informing the People of the violations of the oath of office taken by every civilian government official.

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    Re: Should the wiki-leaker be excuted for treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I believe you must mean Richard Armitage.
    No, I mean Libby. Fitzgerald was satisfied that Richard Armitage didn't have an agenda for leaking Plame's identity. And to be clear, it wasn't Fitzgerald's mission to find anyone guilty of any law. His mission was to find out the "why" her identity was leaked. He stated that very clearly on the day Libby was indicted.


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    Re: Should the wiki-leaker be excuted for treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Incorrect on the bolded part. He swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic, while bearing true faith to the same.



    Since this isn't a declared war, he is fulfilling his obligation to support and defend the Constitution by informing the People of the violations of the oath of office taken by every civilian government official.
    Declared, not declared... doesn't matter... these are national security secrets.
    I'd love to see his defense try that tact... it'd be a suicide mission.

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    Re: Should the wiki-leaker be excuted for treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Hmm you do know that first the wiki-leaker is Australian and hence cant be charged for treason in the US.

    Now the US citizen that gave him the material could be, but guessing that he is white and in the military, then that wont happen. Funny how all the anger has been thrown the Australian but not a peep on the US solider that gave him the information.
    Here we go again...

    EU... I think most here don't know what color the leaker is, and don't care.

    PS. This thread and poll was solely focused on the US Soldier. Those that didn't read the OP... swerved it to something else.

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    Re: Should the wiki-leaker be excuted for treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Declared, not declared... doesn't matter... these are national security secrets.
    I'd love to see his defense try that tact... it'd be a suicide mission.

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    It actually makes a big difference since in order for it to be treason there has to be a declared war. Since it's not a declared war then all of the civilian government employees are in violation of their oath of office.

    I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

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    Re: Should the wiki-leaker be excuted for treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Should the wiki-leaker, the moron in the military that leaked the docs to wiki-leaks, be executed for treason?

    Yes?
    No?
    You know what I don't understand: if they WERE classified then WHY is it still "OK" for him to release the documents (yes, even after they've been altered)

    Why aren't they stepping in and halting his actions?
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    Re: Should the wiki-leaker be excuted for treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    No, I mean Libby. Fitzgerald was satisfied that Richard Armitage didn't have an agenda for leaking Plame's identity. And to be clear, it wasn't Fitzgerald's mission to find anyone guilty of any law. His mission was to find out the "why" her identity was leaked. He stated that very clearly on the day Libby was indicted.
    What does "agenda" have to do with anything?

    And Fitzgerald didn't indict Libby for leaking.

    So no, your analogy does not work.
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